Chastity and the LLF problem

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    Hello everyone,

    I will try not to make this too long but I suspect it will be. I am a HLM married for over 10 years and together longer with a LLF. She was not LL before but in the past few years things have gotten to almost dead bedroom status. She is a wonderful woman and mother and I love her and would never leave her. But the lack of sexual activity is getting to me. We have talked about it and she always says she will try to do better and that she is just not sexually motivated. I am trying different ways to see if we can compromise and she really does try but the efforts do not last and weeks will pass without any sexual activity. Everything else in our marriage is awesome and I am trying to not blame her but try to work with her (if that makes sense).

    A few times in the past, I had told her about locking me up. I love the feeling of being perpetually horny and not able to touch myself. I usually watch porn while caged to enhance that feeling. I do get submissive and want to please her physically and with chores and other things. I researched and told her about the benefits it brings. But, I believe she tends to see this as weird and does not engage.

    This past week, I had an idea. What if I tell her that she can lock me up and not have sex with me? Then, we both might get what we want. I figured that if we are not going to have sex anyway, then I should role play chastity and actually get into it. I figure I would enjoy it and she can stop the annoying "attacks" in the middle of the night. I plan to talk to her about this plan and see but wanted everyone's advice / opinion.

    For this to work, she has to at least engage by taking the key and teasing me, while enjoying the benefits of housework and whenever she wants orgasms (which is not very often), I can get her off without me getting off. I know in the past she has noted that I get grumpy after sex (which the research shows it happens) and I wonder if she has stopped because she feels I get "worse" and not better after orgasms. So, I planned for that to also be in the conversation with her.

    But, if she does not engage, take the key and run with it, then I feel like I am locked just for myself. The actual feeling of knowing that someone WANTS to control you is (I feel) 99% of the thrill for the wearer. If she does not take the key or want to engage then I am back to square 1.

    Has anyone ever had this situation or something like it? How did you get her to get into it? Anyone out there with a similar issue?

    (More info - we used to play BDSM a lot when we first met. She would tie me up and deny me for hours. That stopped and never continued. One time, we went to a BDSM counselor to see what the issue may be and in one of those sessions she actually told me that she was thinking of whether we should have someone who could do that to me that she trusted. I told her that this could open a can of worms and that I did not want to dilute my attention to her with someone else. I only add this because this may give you all an insight into her train of thought.)

    I appreciate any and all advice from the membership.
     
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    Get the third party she suggested years ago. Either that or find some one on "fetlife.com" to be your dominatrix, yep even pay if you have to. Your life is slipping away ,soon you'll be accepting your boring fate.

     
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    Thank you for your note. Believe me, I have thought about it more than once.
     
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    Yep, basically been here (a few years ago).

    Long answer: https://www.chastitymansion.com/for...be-way-to-get-more-women-into-chastity.49979/

    Short answer:

    1) You guys need more communication. Lovingly seek to understand why she isn't sexually motivated. There can be a myriad of reasons, many (maybe most) of which you have direct control over.

    She may not want you to be submissive and you doing chores likely has zero impact on her libido.
    She may not understand your motivation and need for sex...and what it means to you as a man.
    She may not feel safe or that you are bringing a strong masculine presence to the relationship.
    She may have childhood trauma that overrides sexual desire making the effort to be sexual not worth it (ie any time she tries to be sexual, some kind of fear, pain, anxiety, shame overrides it and shuts it down).
    She may not know what she wants sexually
    She may not feel that she deserves sexual pleasure
    She may feel that she's not doing it right in trying to please you.

    If you can work past all this stuff, once resolved, chastity is soooo much fun for both.

    Just this morning my was teasing me, locked up, and wouldn't let me out, saying how much she loves to see me squirm and put all of my horny energy on her. It did not happen over night, and took several years of a variety of self healing work, exploration, discussion, experimentation, learning how to ask for what we want and presenting it in a clear way and asking in a way that the other person can negotiate around their boundaries.

    We've been exactly where you were and (as described in that thread above) found a path through it.
     
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    @knightly , thank you so much for a well written and thoughtful response. I appreciate that you took all this time to write this response. You bring up fantastic points and some of them I have thought about. She is super uncomfortable about talking about these things so I tread lightly and that does not make the communication a good one. So you are absolutely right that we need more communication. I think I will use your list above as a mental checklist in a discussion about this. Perhaps the solution is not chastity just yet. I am glad that you found a way forward. Wish me luck... sometime this weekend we will talk.
     
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    If what I wrote does resonate with you, check out my thread for other ideas and things that we encountered and what worked for us. Happy to share additional thoughts. This is an amazingly common challenge with couples and totally workable!
     
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    Yes sir! I was just reading that post and looking at the links. I have a lot of reading to do. THANK YOU!
     
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    Why? It is just more work for her. If she isn’t engaging now, why would she if you wear a chastity cage?

    I am sounding harsh, I know. But, look at it from her point of view. And if she does agree, it won’t work if she is not invested. You will hate it and become resentful.

    If you want an engaged and invested partner, you need to understand why she is not currently responding. It is time to talk to a pro. Her offer of bringing in a third person was huge. Why did she go there?

    We have been where you are.

    We were on the brink. By accident, we discovered that she could only relax if she had control. Chastity was weird to us, but as an extension of her control, she was willing to try and liked it. Perhaps, too much. We have never been happier. A pro may have helped us figure that out years earlier.

    Don’t waste more years. You may not like the initial answer, but you will know what you are working with. From that, you may find a solution that you both can invest in and work with.

    I wish the best for you both.
     
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    I am interested in following this thread. I hadn't heard the terms before, but I am also a HLM with LLF wife, also married over 10 years and there is zero intimacy these days. I've also suggested chastity for me as way to get something out of the situation or at least rationalize it, but my wife is not very interested in holding a key. She would definitely NOT entertain a third in the relationship in my case (I have suggested it but it was rapidly shot down), so I am somewhat high and dry. She does like the idea of dressing me as woman and has suggested this several times. I wear panties daily and self lock as much as I can.
    I don't have many good ideas to add, but know you are not alone.
     
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    I don’t get it. Think you need to elaborate a little more.

    ‘She says she’ll try and then nothing for weeks…’
    Are you attempting to instigate proceedings or not?
    Is she saying no or is it just not happening?

    Do you have these discussions about sex and then expect her to fix her side of the problem?

    Do you argue about your sex life and then she agrees to try harder?

    What do you actually except in terms of a sexual relationship? When you say ‘nothing for weeks’ did she ride you cowgirl, dress up in PVC, do everything you asked?
    Or was it an intimate loving affair? Did you make a real concerted effort to ensure it was exactly what she wanted?

    To me, this was telling. She’s enacting your sexual fantasies and feeling uncomfortable, she doesn’t actually feel confident or excited by these acts but she tries anyway.
    If you’re that desperate for these things that you actually sought out the assistance of a BDSM counsellor it’s obviously very important to you.

    I wonder if your expectations in your sex life are completely off putting to her and she feels inadequate.
     
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    I find that one of the major benefits of a chastity device is that, if a male in chastity initiates intimacy he knows there will be no question of anything happening that involves his penis unless he is released. His keyholder knows he knows and has accepted the situation. As you say, keeping him in chastity keeps him perpetually horny so he can't help initiating intimacy. The keyholder receives a nice relaxing session without feeling pressured to take things further than she wants. Her partner is probably in an even more frustrated state, but that just reinforces the feedback loop. The alternative of a post orgasmic slump would be much less productive.

    Have you tried something like locking yourself and leaving the key somewhere inconvenient, like your garage. Start some light intimate contact that you know she likes. My wife likes a shoulder massage or a back rub. If she looks uncomfortable tell her you are locked up and can't get out without breaking off and going to get the key. Of course it's best just before you go to sleep or when you first wake up, so you need to be able to wear the device overnight. Hopefully she will realise that, if she has the key, she will get more romantic moments with no pressure and, of course, she can let you out if she wants to. Of course, if it works, it might be a case of "be careful what you wish for." Good luck.
     
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    I, personally, don't like the term "libido". Instead of it being used to generally describe a varied set of preferences and tendencies, it often gets used as an unchanging attribute. This is my thinking...

    "My wife has a low libido..." That's too bad she has that, but that's who she is. At best: Now how can I work to satisfy my high libido while respecting who she is as a low libido person. Still self-focused in my opinion.

    Now say that without saying "libido"...

    "My wife isn't interested in sex very often..." What doesn't she find interesting about it?

    "My wife doesn't want to have sex often..." Why? Is there something she doesn't like about having sex with me?

    My wife isn't interested in sex... What doesn't she find interesting about it?

    My wife isn't often in "the mood"... What is troubling her and negatively impacting her mood? It might not even have anything to do with sex

    And so on...

    My point is, try to avoid using low libido as someone that defined a person because it can be an excuse to ignore root causes.
     
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    I have no idea what this jargon means but I would go all in. Order a huge dildo and harness and ask if she'd like to play. I did this and she said yes and loves it.
     
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    Higher libido male vs lower libido female
     
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    Ah that is a problem. My mistress makes me lick her constantly and when she cums sprays in my mouth. She's only really interested in unlocking me for cbt. She doesn't really want me cumming at all. I'd get rid if you're not getting to go down on her often. There are plenty women out there who would be very happy with that. The problem is finding each other but you have to have the courage to be single to do that.
     
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    just what I was thinking!
     
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    Me too
     
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    My partner of well over a decade isn't into oral on either side of things. She's a great person, mother and enjoys other things however. I should get rid of her because she doesn't want her pussy eaten all the time if I'm reading this right. This is truly horrible advice.
     
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    Three words - communication, communication, communication. It's too easy to get stuck in a rut (and I've been there) where communication shuts down because of stress, hormones, you name it. And you don't want to make your partner feel guilty for not responding to your desires, because that can make it worse. So you need to talk.
     
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    Agreed
     
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    This seems all about you and your needs. My wife has a low sex drive so I get it. That said you can't make it all about what you want and your fantasies. Chasity has helped us being I can't pester her for sex so I get more attention now just not piv. Do nice things she enjoys not just honey tie me up take the cattle brand to me. This screams topping from bottom when it's supposed to be about her not you. If you make it about her first the results can be amazing. Our sex life is amazing now just doesn't involve me getting off or being inside her all the time.
     
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    Thank you for this. This sounds a lot like my situation and I am not even wanting cross-dressing. I like the idea of self-locking but the reason I want her to engage is that to me the power comes from knowing she has control and wants it. If she does not engage, then it is just self-locking for the sake of locking it and I can get out of it any time I want. That kinda defeats the purpose.
     
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    I am sorry; I may have been confusing in the way I wrote it - it was stream of consciousness writing. When I say "she'll try and then nothing for weeks" I refer to having sex - she does not seem to need it. She says she enjoys it when we do it and says she cums (she also seems like she does in the moment). Nothing to do with BDSM, just sex. She does not usually initiate it and I am the one for the most part initiating it. The conversations we have about it are me telling her that this is a need for me (again, just sex for the moment) and that we do not have enough. This is when she told me that she is not just as motivated by sex as I am and that she will try to do better. She tries initiating and then it dies. I am a giver in life and in bed. I want to make sure she cums before I do, I want to go down on her (but she does not want me to 99% of the times and I think the issue is self consciousness about smell though I told her I actually like that), I use toys on her and I center the experience around her.

    The BDSM kink died long time ago. She used to tie me up and do all sorts of things, but slowly that started going away and then she said she did not want to do it anymore and was never comfortable doing it. So, I stopped pestering her about it. The only thing that remained in me was chastity (which we did not do back then). This popped up later and I got fascinated by the idea and how it felt when I was not having any sexual release. All I wanted to do was to please her and withhold for me. It made me feel good, alive, loving... I saw the benefit almost immediately from HER perspective. I do not think she sees it though.

    I do agree with you that she is enacting my sexual fantasies and trying to be a good sport. I have often asked her about hers, she says she does not have any. That is mind blowing to me.
     
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