Covid-19 and Life

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    Again, no animus to Mtn Viper. I truly like his insights offered to the thread.

    But I beg all of you to keep firmly in mind: your doctor (and especially your government) sees you as a statistic. And he has little choice to do so. HE wants to “save” the highest percentage of patients. But you.....are you.

    It is YOU who’d have to die early from the shots. It is YOU with peri-carditis. It is you with the strange blood clots. It doesn’t matter “worldwide only xx%” are getting vaccine injured. It is HIM who gets to say, “Whew! Only xx% of my patients died”.

    Do not allow your doctor to apply “statistical medicine” on you. Ask him, “What will happen if I take this shot?” Do NOT accept the answer, “Well, xx% of the time yy might happen”. If he cannot definitively answer the “ What will happen if I do this” question, he’s a bad doctor.

    And most are bad.
     
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    #4227 MtnViper, Nov 25, 2022
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    Some were quick to point out that just because someone died with Covid didn't mean they died of Covid.

    Some of these same people now claim that people who died soon after Covid vaccination MUST have died because of the vaccination.

    Covid 19 caused significant excess deaths:

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    Has the Covid 19 vaccine caused a significant number of excess deaths, it is extremely unlikely, given that 70% of the world's population has been vaccinated. If it had, there would be large spikes in excess deaths every time a new vaccine or booster was released.

    The decrease in Covid 19 caused excess deaths appears to be mainly the result of changes in the virus.

    The truth lies somewhere within the murky waters of statistics. That is the point I was trying to make.

    The world's governments told the vaccine manufacturers to produce a vaccine as quickly as possible, and make sure the vaccine wasn't a significant cause of death. This they did.

    In the US, politicians had already removed vaccine manufacturers from liability, as lawsuits would quickly drive them all out of business if they didn't. This applied to good vaccines like polio and the like.
     
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    Lab leak conspiracy theory

    Dr John Campbell believed the experts when they said Covid 19 was of natural origins, but based on evidence more recently published, no longer believes this, at least as strongly.

     
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    THIS is exactly the kind of critical thinking we need to deploy. Great post.

    We gotta be careful to ask the right questions.

    Thanks Vipe. You help ya do that.
     
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    * Thanks Vipe. You help US do that.
     
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    ANAL SCHWAB GIVES THE CHICOMS ... A BIG WET KISS

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    WEF Fuhrer, Anal Schwab, on ChiCom TV praised China’s modernization since the late 70’s and went on to say “[China is] a role model for many counties ... [and] the Chinese Model is certainly a very attractive model for quite a number of countries.”

    A fucking role model? A country of zero freedom, low social mobility, social credit scores, and constant government surveillance? Who the heck, even among the progressive revolutionary wokester crowd, is openly calling for a ChiCom model for their own countries?


    China in fact is a giant prison, complete with a Dear Leader FOR LIFE, organ harvesting, forced abortions, slave labor, sweatshops, low wages, continuous lockdowns and real Gulags. Challenge the government in any way and you'll be packed off to one for years upon years in no time or worse yet, you will simply disappear. In the case of the Uighurs, just being the wrong nationality is enough for such punishment.

    Not that it’s any great surprise, but at least now it’s all out in the open and we know that Mr. Reset is nothing more than a Chinese cock-sucker ... and I bet he (happily) swallows.



    See:
    https://www.foxnews.com/world/world-economic-forum-chair-klaus-schwab-declares-chinese-state-tv-china-model-many-nations
     
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    The journalist-run, intelligence-linked operation that warped British pandemic policy

    "Presented as an independent voice for “unbiased” scientific advice, iSAGE provided a channel for media spinmeisters, spies and psy-op specialists to influence Britain’s pandemic policy without accountability. Leaked internal emails show members fretting over its unethical methods.

    "Throughout Britain’s response to the COVID-19 crisis, a lobbying group known as the Independent Scientific Advisory Group for Emergencies (iSAGE) served as a key driving force behind the government’s most draconian lockdown policies.

    "While it presented itself as a non-governmental organization composed of forward-thinking health experts, The Grayzone can reveal iSAGE not only maintains an array of ties to the British security state, while relying largely on political, rather than scientific, considerations when crafting policy recommendations."​
     
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    Keep in mind the fact that if you contract Covid-19 you have an increased risk of myocarditis and pericarditis, so only comparing rates of unvaccinated healthy people to vaccinated people isn't a comprehensive comparison.

    Presented on ZeroHedge; Another Study Finds Heart Inflammation Higher After Moderna Vaccination Versus Pfizer

    The original medical article states:

    ...​

    "Given the emerging evidence, a potential causal association between SARS-CoV-2 mRNA vaccines and myocarditis may exist. However, risk–benefit assessments have determined that the benefits of using mRNA SARS-CoV-2 vaccines outweigh the risks of myocarditis.20 According to a US analysis, 11,000 COVID-19 cases, 560 hospital admissions, 138 ICU admissions and 6 deaths from COVID-19 could be prevented per million-second doses of mRNA SARS-CoV-2 vaccine administered to males aged 12–29 years, compared with 39–47 expected cases of myocarditis after SARS-CoV-2 vaccination.20

    ...

    Conclusion

    In this study, we found higher observed rates of myocarditis after receipt of mRNA vaccines than expected, but absolute rates were low. We observed a higher rate of myocarditis among males aged 18–29 years after receipt of the second dose of mRNA-1273 (Moderna) vaccine compared with those who received BNT162b2 (Pfizer-BioNTech), though the rate was lower after the third dose. Comparisons of observed with expected rates also confirmed these findings, with the highest observed-to-expected ratios among males 18–29 years of age after the second dose of the mRNA-1273 vaccine. Although observed rates of myocarditis were higher than expected, the benefits of vaccination against SARS-CoV-2 in reducing the severity of COVID-19, hospital admission and deaths far outweigh the risk of developing myocarditis. We observed lower rates of myocarditis after a third vaccine dose, including among people aged 18–29 years who were among those with the highest rates of myocarditis. Thus, continued vaccination of this group, along with monitoring of adverse events, including myocarditis, should remain the preferred strategy.​


    Even though I present this information, some may assume in support of full scale vaccination, if I was younger I wouldn't have gotten the two initial Moderna doses, and I would not have exposed my children (I don't have any) to this experimental vaccine, as the jury is still out on the technology and the long term risk and benefits of technology, while the risk of Covid 19 to young people has always been relatively low.

    In this instance, politics, national security authorities, and a desire for population control experiments have come into play. It has never been simply about health and safety.

    Polio and it's vaccine is a different story.
     
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    While I cannot counter “the numbers”, nor can I impart my risk/benefit profile onto others, I still say that phrases such as “absolute risk” are wildly misleading.

    Even IF we agreed with the premise that the shots “reduce symptoms”. (The most optimistic claims even being made anymore. Transmission and disease contraction are no longer even claimed by the manufacturers) the choice is NOT “absolute risk”.

    The choice for the individual is higher chance of death vs possible chance of decreasing symptom severity for a disease extremely unlikely to kill me.

    When risk is properly assessed as an individual, the math overwhelmingly says to avoid the shots.

    Let me say this another way: If you go to a doctor for the common cold and he gives you a pill and says, “this pill MAY make your cold a little easier to deal with. But it could kill you.” Would you take it?
     
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    I think their next claim will be that the vaccines can stop long covid. No one will be able to prove otherwise.
     
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    Exactly. The claims made are unprovable. We are left with the absurd statements such as “imagine how bad it could have been”.

    So the choice for the individual has become a choice between a claimed potential for a subjective benefit vs a verifiable increase in the likelihood of death via the shots.
     
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    Happy Thanksgiving?

    I learned my California father-in-law’s holiday dinner went like this:

    11 guests. ALL required to show a negative Covid test prior to arrival.

    He and his wife felt a bit queasy the next morning. The wife went to get tested. Came out positive. She is now taking Paxlovid.

    Father-in-law gets tested at pharmacy. He’s positive too. He’ll go to doctor on Monday to seek Paxlovid

    Both are at wits end and baffled. He exclaims that he’s taken every shot and every booster as well as every flu shot.

    The kicker? THEY both tested negative before the party!

    Must have been the housekeeper!

    Truly a divine miracle my un-vaxxed wife and I are still standing.
     
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    Here is an interesting chart. Not sure how it applies to individuals, as it seems to show relative risk, not absolute risk. I also don't know that the risk today is the same as it was in 2020 or 2021. Combining data for all years and variants could be misleading. Doctors have more knowledge and experience treating Covid than they did in 2020.

    Risk by Age.jpg

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    To provide some perspective for the data I've presented on Covid 19, here is data for 2018-2019 influenza season.

    "The overall burden of influenza (flu) for the 2018-2019 season was an estimated 29 million flu illnesses, 13 million flu-related medical visits, 380,000 flu-related hospitalizations, and 28,000 flu deaths"

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    https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/2018-2019.html
     
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    Addendum: I was just joking about the housekeeper. It turns out it was a manicurist who came over to do the woman’s nails!

    Can’t make this stuff up.
     
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    And did the manicurist test negative?
     
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    "Monkeypox will now be known as mpox, the World Health Organization (WHO) has announced, after complaints over racist and stigmatising language linked to the virus's name.

    The old term will be used alongside the new one for a year, before being phased out.

    Mpox was decided on after lengthy discussions between experts, countries and the general public."

    https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/health-63782514

    How utterly ridiculous.
     
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    NEW THOUGHT requires NEW SPEECH.
     
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    No. The manicurist called and said she tested positive. SHE was the source, it would seem.

    Elite dinner guests have to virtue signal. But the hostess didn’t have time to monitor her help.
     
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    Pharmaceutical companies, and corporations who spend a lot of money on advertising, basically control the news. News, historically, has never made any money. This applies to your local newspapers as well as national news organizations. We end up with censorship by omission.


    Pfizer CEO rebuked by UK watchdog for ‘misleading’ statements on Covid vaccine

    The above article mentions the following article, from March 6,2022, which is a bit dated. There is small trial size mentioned, and rapidly reduced effectiveness. They still claim the vaccines reduce occurrence of hospitalization and death. If these vaccines reduce our natural immune systems, you have to wonder about more than just its effectiveness with Covid, as some new virus is always developing somewhere in the world. Hopefully not in a medical lab.

    Pfizer vaccine effectiveness plummets to 12 per cent in children aged five to 11
     
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