The Lights Are Dim .. The Heat Is Off .. The Shops Are Closed

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    HOW COZY - SNUGGLE TIME MAY COME TO THE UK
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    The National Grid Warns of Potential 3 Hour Rolling Blackouts This Winter

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    The UK’s leading left wing fish wrapper, The Guardian, is reporting:

    Households could experience a series of three-hour power cuts this winter if Vladimir Putin shuts off gas supplies from Russia and Britain experiences a cold snap, National Grid has warned.

    Such an event would mean consumers in different parts of the country being notified a day in advance of three-hour blocks of time during which their power would be cut off, in an effort to reduce total consumption by 5%.

    The emergency plan would need to be approved by King Charles on the recommendation of the business secretary.”

    Let the run on long johns, batteries, and torches begin!

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    At least you buggers don't need to use a lot of energy on heating
     
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    What is really needed if for people to stop and think a little

    In the UK sacked PM who was constantly kissing Zelensky's arse had us put sanctions on Russia
    The world'd biggest country which is so self reliant on fuel wheat and fertilizer it can afford to export it
    How stupid can you get?

    Which raises questions.
    People can not afford energy bills so they cut back
    There are already food shortages starting.. following one of the wettest summers we have had and the lack of fertilizer for next years crops these shortages will get worse. But don't worry about shortages too much as following the recent rises in interest rates to FURTHER fuel inflation many of us will not be able to afford food
    We have energy shortages coming and most of us soon won't be able to afford either fuel or energy.

    Which just so happens to coincide with what is for the UK predicted to be a very cold and long winter.

    The wealthy don't give a shit... they will not go without food energy or fuel and as for the interest rates going up... from their investments that just makes them even more able to afford what many of won't be able to. What the wealthy can do of course is set higher interest rates so they become even more wealthy at the expense of most of the rest of us

    Of course none of this is deliberate

    Now as it seems monkey pox did not catch on the latest Corona virus mutant is on the up

    And all of this following a pandemic during which many people's health and immune systems have allegedly been at best compromised or even greatly weakened through so called vaccination

    I can't help but think that those that were/are ALLEGEDLY in favour of depopulation (culling) and population control (more culling) might have something to do with all of these so called coincidences.. but of course that would just be unfounded paranoia based on conspiracy theories. You know like the ones that told us so many things that have proven to be true.

    But you are all cognisant adults double check and question everything and believe what you will.
     
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    If off-shore by which you obviously mean one of the most NOT green methods of producing energy called wind power which if it is so good why is it that when I live next to the Pennines do so rarely see these wind turbines doing anything other than stand idle. Their purpose was clearly to line the pockets of those producing and installing them and off-shore ones have an even bigger 'green footprint'.

    Cheapest would be nuclear.. and the most efficient of that would be fusion and until we get that sorted lets go with what we have ...carbon based fuels. Which will get us through this 'temporary' crisis

    Or we could drop the sanctions against ourselves that we have imposed on Russia as they piss themselves laughing at us

    And before anyone starts .. ever wondered why they stopped calling it global warming ( because it isnt) and now call it climate change .. which has been going on since we first got a climate.

    But its ok you believe all the MSM tells you. After all its been verified by politicians and employed scientist neither of which have ever lied
     
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    The poorer you are, the more you will be adversely affected by inflation, and the coming crises.

    The wealthy may get burned as well, depending on how they are invested. Not the smart ones, but the greedy ones.

    The US Federal Reserve and other Governing Banks are starting to deflate the "Everything Bubble."

    The Everything Bubble allowed institutional investors and hedge funds to borrow huge amounts of money against those inflated asset prices.

    Imagine a car loan for $100,000 against a car now valued $10,000.

    The value of the assets is decreasing, and the costing of borrowing money is increasing. To generate cash to pay back the borrowed money these entities have to sell their assets, causing a further decrease in asset prices.

    Replace "asset(s)" with "car(s)" for ease of understanding.

    The value of the cars is decreasing, and the costing of borrowing money is increasing. To generate cash to pay back the borrowed money these entities have to sell their cars, causing a further decrease in car prices.​

    It is a self feeding loop, as seen in the recent UK pension fund crises. Risky poorly understood investment methods started turning into crap.

    The smart and wealthy likely have cash stored away in well concealed offshore banks, or something similar.

    The entities who have engaged in the risky investments may be burned, including retirement related funds. This may burn the middle class once again, like the Great Recession. The poor don't own assets: houses, stocks, bonds, etc.

    Those who mismanaged the funds are likely to walk away unharmed, with the earnings safely protected. I believe that was the case during the Great Recession, for the smart ones.
     
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    SOMETHING BIG IS HAPPENING IN GERMANY ... AND THE WEF IS MAKING IT WORSE



    What’s happening is not by incompetence, it is by design!
     
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    This is a chilling article, which mentions one of the consequences of the Ukraine war, a lot less fertilizer for food production. I don't know the accuracy of the information presented.

    A quote within the article:

    "In fact, it’s estimated that nitrogen fertilizer now supports approximately half of the global population. In other words, Fritz Haber and Carl Bosch — the pioneers of this technological breakthrough — are estimated to have enabled the lives of several billion people, who otherwise would have died prematurely, or never been born at all."​

    https://themostimportantnews.com/archives/the-era-of-cheap-food-and-cheap-gasoline-is-over
     
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    I used to ask myself if bad policy was just stupid or mistaken.

    Now that we know it’s stupid, the question became incompetence or evil?

    Now, sadly, I think it’s all of the above. Mistaken, stupid, incompetent AND evil.
     
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    I'd argue it's solely evil.

    The greed of the people who can pass it off as incompetence, the stupidity (arrogance, really) of those same people. They're playing a different game completely from us - and they believe (rightly so if we look at zombies like Biden and Pelosi) they are beyond reproach, beyond risk of losing their wealth or position and power.

    Absolute power corrupts absolutely. Remember the Devil's sin wasn't the rebellion, but the PRIDE that caused the rebellion. He wanted to rule, not to serve. "Better to rule in Hell than serve in Heaven," from Paradise Lost.

    Eventually the fall comes, but it took decades before. Now, we seem in a compressed timeframe; we may see a collapse - arguably, a controlled demolition of the world economy - of the world's entire financial system, and all communications and transit routes - so the Elite parasites can move to the new host nations and become invisible again. They already have holdings in Vietnam, China, India, Brazil, Philippines, Africa, probably Russia, too. They're the types who have economic citizenship, so can be from multiple countries, with passports to match.

    Their greed, narcissism, lack of empathy with others (psychopathy), and joy at manipulating and using others (machiavellianism) all merge together into a specific set of traits that enable them to rise socially. So, it's not like we can breed it out. It just needs to be kept in check, and not by those who are profiting from it, obviously - by the people, instead, who are victimized by it. We just try to be social as long as possible.

    We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness.--That to secure these rights, Governments are instituted among Men, deriving their just powers from the consent of the governed, --That whenever any Form of Government becomes destructive of these ends, it is the Right of the People to alter or to abolish it, and to institute new Government, laying its foundation on such principles and organizing its powers in such form, as to them shall seem most likely to effect their Safety and Happiness. Prudence, indeed, will dictate that Governments long established should not be changed for light and transient causes; and accordingly all experience hath shewn, that mankind are more disposed to suffer, while evils are sufferable, than to right themselves by abolishing the forms to which they are accustomed. But when a long train of abuses and usurpations, pursuing invariably the same Object evinces a design to reduce them under absolute Despotism, it is their right, it is their duty, to throw off such Government, and to provide new Guards for their future security.
    https://www.archives.gov/founding-docs/declaration-transcript

    Those profiting won't give it up easily, though.
     
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    I wished I disagreed with you Dianna.
     
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    The points that Chris Martenson makes in this article and video I began making soon after 2008 when top level US political figures started talking about "going green" with a vengeance; they sought to stimulate and capitalize on fear. They ignored the information that federal agencies produced and made available publicly, about energy and natural resources. More than a decade later, the facts of the matter haven't changed. Especially in Europe, people may/will be freezing this winter because your leaders can't accept, or want to ignore, basic facts about the world we live in.

    (Complexity – Energy) x (Arrogance + Ignorance) = A Great Disaster
     
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    TELL ME SOMETHING I DON’T KNOW:

    Nord Stream pipe blast WAS sabotage, and traces of explosives have been found at the site, Swedish investigators say
    • An explosion on September 26 caused four leaks in the Baltic Sea pipeline;
    • Two leaks were in Denmark's exclusive economic zone and two in Sweden's;
    • Investigators have been working to ascertain the cause of the damage;
    • Now, Swedish prosecutors have said traces of explosives have been found; and
    • They said this was proof that the blasts were an act of sabotage on the pipelines ... DUH!
    See:
    https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/ar...blast-sabotage-Swedish-investigators-say.html


     
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    Nothing new I would say.
     
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    Switzerland May Restrict the Use of Electric Vehicles (Among Other Things) This Winter Amid Energy Crisis
    This winter, Switzerland may have to restrict the use of electric vehicles (EVs) if its current energy crisis worsens, as part of a new four-step plan to avoid power outages. If Switzerland runs out of energy this winter, electric cars won’t be allowed to be used for “non-essential” trips.

    Due to its dependence on imports, Switzerland fears an energy crisis this winter. About 60% of Switzerland’s energy comes from hydroelectric power, according to the Telegraph.

    In addition, shops may need to reduce their hours, streaming services may need to be limited and buildings may only be heated to 20 degrees Celsius, or 68 degrees Fahrenheit.

    Other bans, according to the Telegraph, may include concerts, theater performances and sporting events, all to prevent a blackout.


    The country’s emergency plan is split into two tiers: crisis and emergency. It also has three levels of restrictions in the first tier and two levels of restriction in the third tier.

    Swiss officials will activate each tier and level based on supply level. At the very minimum, buildings will only be able to be heated to 20 degrees Celsius. As things intensify, electric vehicles will be limited to essential trips, and in the worst-case scenario, concerts and sporting events will cease.


    Finally, additional measures like escalators and holiday lights getting turned off, leaf blowers getting silenced, and (God forbid) cryptocurrency mining getting banned are also included in the plan.

    See:
     
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    Restriction. Always the leftist way to do things. Why not let the price of electricity allow the people to decide for themselves which trips are “essential”?

    Freedom? Nahhhhh
     
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    Switzerland is far away from leftist politics.

    Well if there is any electricity available then you are right. But since France as nominal exporting country has to import itself and weather conditions exist which influence more than one countries electric power supply this is a possible scenario.
    We observe in Central Europe an increasing occurrence of so called unmoving highs or lows. Such a low has caused the flooding last year, because the rain clouds didn’t move.
    The problem is when it is very cold and the gas supply runs out people will use electric heaters and then a electric power shortage is not a question of money.
    Switzerland has a very good railway net and so the effect is not that big.
    If you have a solar system with the possibility using it off-grid you still can charge even in winter if there is enough sunshine.
    Europe has decided to ban Russian gas and then pipeline grid is not capable to run reverse to transport liquified natural gas from Spain to the rest of Europe.
    We will see in April what happened
     
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    I appreciate what you are saying. But the government influence you describe is the very definition of leftist politics in my mind.

    If the government was in charge of the desert, you’d eventually have a shortage of sand.
     
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    I see it differently, electricity is delivered by private companies.
    Greed has led to the usage of the cheapest primary energy sources.
    When I was a student long time ago I had a class about energy technology and our professor stated that a wind mill can’t produce electricity efficiently.
    We had a lot of discussions during that time, I stated, and that was in the late 70s, that there will be only one solution that we must retrieve all energy consumption out of what the sun is delivering. Either directly like solar cells or indirectly like with wind or water. Today I say we must become better or less.
     
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    Nuclear, and/or fewer people.
    They're working on the latter right now.
    Scientists have made better fission reactors, and are still working on fusion - but also talking about snuffing the sun to reduce glo-bullshit warming.
     
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    Fair do’s Good. While we disagree, I admire your well made points.
     
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    Globullshit Warming.

    Brilliant!
     
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    We may be eating fake food sooner than we believe. Well, not the elite 1%, who will be eating whatever they desire. Partly to demonstrate they are special and "The Elite," and more necessary than the 99%.

    Epoch Times article on ZeroHedge: UK Warned By Farmers That It Is Facing A Food Supply Crisis

    As energy prices increase the cost of everything increases. As energy supplies become intermittent, i.e. more dependent on solar and wind power, the food supply will become unreliable.

    Those who make the rules and enforce the rules will be sure to have plenty of food and energy, at least initially. Those who employ their own protection forces...

    As less gasoline is produced, the less their bi-products will be available, like plastics and fertilizer. The latter was news to me when the Ukraine war drove the fact home.

    Lets hope these things don't happen, to a greater degree, but if they do, it will be an avalanche affect. Are we at the beginning of an avalanche?

    In the US we have long term droughts and the pumping dry of aquifers.

    “So, large regions of the Ogallala are going to run out of water, particularly in the Southern High Plains..."

    Source: Ogallala Aquifer depletion: Situation to manage, not problem to solve March 19, 2021​


    Where does your food come from? What happens when they can no longer fly fresh foods to you or you cannot afford them?

    There is a lot of "news" people simply don't want to hear, perhaps believing "science will always save the day," and powers that be don't want someone restricting their use of limited natural resources.
     
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    Exactly. Our “system” is far more fragile than folks admit. It wouldn’t take long for food to run out.
     
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    The article I linked to contains disinformation. It contains facts, but falsifies the intent of the travel restrictions. But, if you consider the technology and how it is used, you can foresee it being used for other purposes. We learned during Covid how quickly people comply with "authorities." Can you think of a time in the past 100 years when the same principles were used with disastrous results? Don't we question how people could have been so complacent? Shouldn't they have known? Are people today to smart to fall for such tactics?

    Of course today, we know we get cancelled if we don't comply with the ruling party, even if they aren't in the majority. A small group of like minded individuals truly can control a country, and possibly much of the world.

    My original post:

    Looks like Europe is progressing toward food shortages faster than I thought:

    Climate Change Lockdowns? Yup, They Are Actually Going There…

    If they are already banning flights, buying up farms, and restricting movement...

    And what are China and India doing about climate change?

     
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