Covid-19 and Life

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    You mean the country where nobody died for any reason at all for months on end?

    That data's clearly very reliable.....

    Every single properly constructed & executed clinical rrial of Ivermectin has shown it to be ineffective as a treatment for Covid. ALL OF THEM.

    Show me some real science supporting it if you want to carry on the debate.
     
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    Does a confession by a CEO count for you? Or is Alex B. simply passing on "misinformation?"
     
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    #1753 Fit To Be Tied, Jan 12, 2022
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    Just a few random studies dealing with the effectiveness of Ivermectin in the prophylaxis and/or treatment of the Chinese Coronavirus:

    1) Since 2012, multiple in vitro studies have demonstrated that Ivermectin inhibits the replication of many viruses, including influenza, Zika, Dengue and others (Mastrangelo et al., 2012;Wagstaff et al., 2012;Tay et al., 2013;Götz et al., 2016;Varghese et al., 2016;Atkinson et al., 2018;Lv et al., 2018;King et al., 2020;Yang et al., 2020).

    2) Ivermectin inhibits SARS-CoV-2 replication and binding to host tissue via several observed and proposed mechanisms (Caly et al., 2020a).

    3) Ivermectin has potent anti-inflammatory properties with in vitro data demonstrating profound inhibition of both cytokine production and transcription of nuclear factor-κB (NF-κB), the most potent mediator of inflammation (Zhang et al., 2008;Ci et al., 2009;Zhang et al., 2009).

    4) Ivermectin significantly diminishes viral load and protects against organ damage in multiple animal models when infected with SARS-CoV-2 or similar coronaviruses (Arevalo et al., 2020;de Melo et al., 2020).

    5) Ivermectin prevents transmission and development of COVID-19 disease in those exposed to infected patients (Behera et al., 2020;Bernigaud et al., 2020;Carvallo et al., 2020b;Elgazzar et al., 2020;Hellwig and Maia, 2020;Shouman, 2020).

    6) Ivermectin hastens recovery and prevents deterioration in patients with mild to moderate disease treated early after symptoms (Carvallo et al., 2020a;Elgazzar et al., 2020;Gorial et al., 2020;Khan et al., 2020;Mahmud, 2020;Morgenstern et al., 2020;Robin et al., 2020).

    7) Ivermectin hastens recovery and avoidance of ICU admission and death in hospitalized patients (Elgazzar et al., 2020;Hashim et al., 2020;Khan et al., 2020;Niaee et al., 2020;Portmann-Baracco et al., 2020;Rajter et al., 2020;Spoorthi V, 2020).

    8) Ivermectin reduces mortality in critically ill patients with COVID-19 (Elgazzar et al., 2020;Hashim et al., 2020;Rajter et al., 2020).

    9) Ivermectin leads to striking reductions in case-fatality rates in regions with widespread use (Chamie, 2020).

    Moreover, the safety, availability, and cost of ivermectin is nearly unparalleled given its near nil drug interactions along with only mild and rare side effects observed in almost 40 years of use and billions of doses administered (Kircik et al., 2016).

    And ... The World Health Organization has long included ivermectin on its “List of Essential Medicines.
    ”(https://www.who.int/publications/i/item/WHOMVPEMPIAU201907

    I tell you what my friend: I’ll take my chances with Ivermectin (which I have) and you take your chances with the vax or whatever you have ... and we’ll leave it at that.
     
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    Mr. Fit,

    You rule. Remind me to NEVER owe you money! Well done. And so quickly.
     
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    There are studies. Just as there are countries outside the USA. Lots of them if you want to look and none that show ivermectin to be a worthwhile treatment for covid.
     
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    No, I just listened to what he actually said instead of what I wanted to hear.
     
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    Funny, you are guilty of what you are accusing others of. Typical "lefty" tactic.

    Where are YOUR citations? Fit To Be Tied always provides citations. You have provided nothing.
     
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    1 - not disputed but not relevant. The required concentrations of the drug to achiece this result are both toxic and impossible to achive in patients.

    2 - as 1.

    3 - as 1.

    4 - Study on Mice using a substitute virus, not using SARS-COV2

    5 - Unable to locate the source.

    I'm not going to go on as it's now well into the early hours and I have real work tomorrow. I also suspect nothing will change your views and I'm not into battering my head off of a brick wall.

    This is also not the place to get into a fight over this subect so I'm not going to respond to any more from either of you - you clearly have an agenda to promote which I have no time for.
     
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    https://ivmmeta.com/
     
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    UH OH
    European Regulators Warn About Dangers of Frequent Chinese Coronavirus Boosters Over Immune System Risks

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    Recall, that Last month, the European Medicines Agency announced they had authorized boosters EVERY THREE MONTHS.

    But now ... they have suddenly changed their tune for some reason.

    Alex Berenson is reporting:

    Today, not even five weeks later, and barely 24 hours after Pfizer’s CEO downplayed a fourth dose, they said they think frequent boosters may not be safe.”

    And this is being confirmed by Bloomberg:

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    Excuse me while I adjust my tin-foil hat. But ... it seems what was once a conspiracy is quickly becoming true and it’s horrifying! Paging Dr. Fauci ... Paging Dr. Fauci. Where is The Elf when you need him? (Probably getting more face time on CNN.)


    See:
    https://www.reuters.com/world/europ...ccine-boosters-after-three-months-2021-12-09/


    https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/european-drug-regulators-abruptly/comments

    https://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2022-01-11/repeat-booster-shots-risk-overloading-immune-system-ema-says


     
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    Sorry, but I haven't time to analyze that just now. I do however not that the recent Cochrain review of all data produced at best a very inconclusive picture and a recommendation against use. Cochrain reviews are widely regarded as the gold standard and it'd take quite some doing to overturn the findings.

    I did skim read the site and I'm already somewhat concerned to see that it labels at least 3 highly regarded studies as biased.
     
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    As the truth continues to pour forth, the narrative of the ruling class is rapidly changing. This is the enemy retreating.

    But have they given up? What do you suppose their long-term strategy is? Have they decided that the death shots are sufficiently deployed to accomplish most of their goal? "Hey, we will only kill half of the population instead of the three fourths that we wanted so we will take it."

    Or is it all a (for them) a glorious test run that shows them that the scare tactics have proven very effective in their drunk pursuit of power?

    I'd appreciate yours--and Lucy's, and Sue's, and Winston's, and Dianne's, and Joanna's, and others I forgot to mention--opinions on what is next.

    What do you all think we can expect in the coming months or year?
     
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    #1765 Fit To Be Tied, Jan 12, 2022
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    ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^ THIS ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

    You know there is plenty more where this shit came from. The test run and concurrent psyop have proven very effective. The only real Hope is that all of this creates a Great Awakening among the voting sheeple and the current bunch of tyrants are (eventually) voted out of office. (But I’m not holding my breath.)
     
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    UH OH ..... AGAIN

    WHO Joins EU and Changes Direction — Suddenly Warns Against Taking Continued COVID Booster Jabs
    On Tuesday European regulators warned that the COVID booster shots could adversely affect the immune system. (See above.)

    This was a huge admission for European officials after pushing booster shots just weeks earlier. What happened?

    Then later on Tuesday the World Health Organization joined the EU and also condemned the continued booster regimen.

    That was quick. What happened?

    What do they now see about the experimental mRNA gene therapy that they did not see just a month ago?

    In a statement released by WHO on Tuesday, it said, “a vaccination strategy based on repeated booster doses of the original vaccine composition is unlikely to be appropriate or sustainable.”

    As detailed by Alex Berenson in his Substack posting:

    Now the World Health Organization has waved the white flag on Covid vaccine boosters too.

    WHO released a statement about Covid vaccines yesterday. It’s filled with the usual public health jargon and ass-covering, but one line stands out:

    ‘a vaccination strategy based on repeated booster doses of the original vaccine composition is unlikely to be appropriate or sustainable.’

    It’s over, people.

    Aside from a few unlucky Israelis, no one is going to receive a fourth dose of the original vaccine; everyone with eyes can see it doesn’t work against Omicron. (And if you haven’t gotten a third dose, at this point, why would you? You are getting at most weeks of marginally improved protection for potentially severe side effects.)

    Instead the WHO is now promising/demanding vaccines based on whatever the dominant Sars-Cov-2 strain is at the moment.

    That promise is as empty as all the others the health bureaucrats and vaccine companies have made.

    At least five major variants (“variants of concern”) have developed in the last year, and two have become globally dominant. Even the mRNA vaccines cannot be cooked up and delivered fast enough to match whatever strain of virus becomes dominant. Covid is faster than the scientists.”

    LEARN TO LIVE WITH IT .... EMBRACE TREATMENT & THERAPEUTICS

    See:

    https://www.who.int/news/item/11-01...dvisory-group-on-covid-19-vaccine-composition


    https://alexberenson.substack.com/p/boosters-are-over/comments
     
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    THE NEW FAUCI E-MAILS ARE EVEN MORE DAMNING THAN YOU THINK

     
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    CHEECH & CHONG’s REVENGE

    Oregon State University Research Shows Hemp Compounds Prevent Chinese Coronavirus From Entering Human Cells
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    Seriously. But the boys might be a bit disappointed. The specific compounds are cannabigerolic acid, or CBGA, and cannabidiolic acid, CBDA - not the not controlled substance THC, the psychoactive ingredient in marijuana.

    The cannabinoid acids bind to the SARS-CoV-2 spike protein, blocking a critical step in the process the virus uses to infect people.

    The team found the cannabis compounds, which can be taken orally and are abundantly found in hemp, blocked the alpha and beta variants from infecting the human cells - but the team notes those are the only two variants studied in this research.
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    Apparently the cannabis compounds can be used both as a prophylaxis and a treatment.

    See:
    https://today.oregonstate.edu/news/...unds-prevent-coronavirus-entering-human-cells
     
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    How damning can you get? wow.
     
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    Your last point is especially true. Viruses......germs....etc....can evolve MUCH faster than we can "sequence" them and create some sort of magic potion to stop them. They (viruses) never sleep nor take breaks.
     
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    Please boost regularly. Boss says need more souls.
     
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    Im not Jabbed. That is, not jabbed with the new vax. My initial feeling was to wait out the best of them.
    Like we used to ... 4 years of data.
    But now they are getting pushy, so now way.
     
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    US Supreme Court Blocks Sleepy, Creepy, Crazy Uncle Joe’s OSHA Vaxx Mandate ... But Allows It For Most Healthcare Workers (in facilities that receive Medicare and Medicaid payments from the federal government)

    The US Supreme Court has just blocked Sleepy, Creepy, Crazy Uncle Joe’s administration's vaccine-or-test rule for US businesses, but it allowed vaccine mandates for most health care workers.

    The Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA) rule would have required 80 million workers to get shots or periodic tests.

    Chief Justice John Roberts, who was appointed by President George W. Bush, said during arguments that he thinks it’s hard to argue that the 1970 law governing OSHA “gives free reign to the agencies to enact such broad regulation.”


    The court allowed a separate rule to take effect requiring shots for workers in nursing homes, hospitals and other facilities that receive Medicare and Medicaid payments from the federal government.

    This is a HUGE BLOW to Sleepy, Creepy, Crazy Uncle Joe’s jack-boot, fascist “vaxx-or-else” policy.

    See:
    OSHA OPINION:

    https://www.scribd.com/document/552661840/SCOTUS-OSHA

    HEALTHCARE OPINION:

    https://www.scribd.com/document/552661977/SCOTUS-CMS





     
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    Timing is weird with the Robin Sage drill. Maybe unrelated but interesting. Don't know enough about it.
     
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