The bible made me submissive

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    don't discuss the bible unless you have actually read it.
    If being chaste helps or causes me to love my wife better then I'm all in! I still have to figure out why she is not:(
     
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    Interesting question that really made me think. My wife seems so vanilla I have never given that a thought. I doesn't turn me on even one bit. As long as I could do it without feeling like it went beond my own hard limit and did somehow harmful to me (psychologically) or our relationship, I would for sure do it. Knowing myself, I guess I would probably think about it for a short time (anything between an hour and two days), then I would accept.
     
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    you are right in many of the things you say.

    Especially as I don’t usually agree with you but this time I mostly do.

    It always surprises me with anyone that chooses to live there life in public but you say it helps you both so good luck.

    I don’t do religion’s ,gods or any other such things in any shape or form but agree we all must choose our ways individually and as long as others respect our individual choices and don’t try to change and influence in those ways all is good.

    Especially as those that follow in all kinds of religions have the worst track record for doing so it’s nice to see no one trying to convert another so far at least anyway.
     
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    It's important to be respectful online or in person.

    For a website like this, if you don't like cuckolding or pegging, move on and keep your distaste to yourself. You don't need to post about how stupid or disgusting you may think it is.

    Likewise, if for some reason you don't like religion or some specific religious denomination, do yourself a favor and keep that opinion to yourself. We don't need to see you point out that you don't like something. You aren't changing anyones opinion on the topic, but likely changing their opinion about you.

    Thank you OP, for sharing your story. And many thanks to Lucy for being an outstanding moderator. She's light handed when she needs to and heavy when she needs to. I am so impressed at the community she has here.
     
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    very well said!
     
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    As I pointed out before, there is no other site like this one. It is a unique treasure. Irony here. I hope I am not hi-jacking his thread.
     
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    Look...even though you indicated you didn't want to get into a debate about religion, you then proceeded to write a voluminous letter discussing religion ad nauseum. You opened the door so you shouldn't be surprised by some of the responses and it kind of feels like you're surreptitiously using this forum to "preach". People on this site just want to share experiences relating to chastity. We don't need to hear about your chaste experience wrapped in a Halo. It's not helpful. So, if this is what you want to post, then expect some flack.
     
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    What the OP wrote is extremely helpful! I've think very much the same way as he does, and am disappointed that laketyme and others cant keep to themselves and allow a discussion to happen without them barging through the "door" and "surreptitiously" derailing the tread, casting judgment (voluminous), declaring worth ("its not helpful") and deciding what chastity can and cannot be related to.

    Laketyme and like minded folks, Christians are welcome here to!
     
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    Proud to be chaste, thank you for sharing your story it feels good to not feel alone.

    My Christian faith is the only thing that led me into the Chastity world. After 4 years it has been a slow journey toward finding a long term functioning device. After difficulties since my teenage years however even the few short term lock ups have made marriage, sexual purity/ submission to my wife and the resulting confidence some of the best feelings I can think of.
     
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    I get what you are saying. If I wrote again, I would do certain things differently. My intention was not to preach; it was to explain my journey and where I come from as honestly and straight forward as possible. And my journey starts with the bible - like it or not. I shared both because I hoped recieve at least some valuable and thought-provoking input (as I have); and also because I believed that someone out there could relate and therefore appreciate my post, as I believe the explicit religion-inspired perspective is rarely expressed in this forum (or anywhere on the internet).

    I also hoped my blog could be interesting to some non-religious people as well. I have read a couple of articles on taoism and semen retention with fascination. I am sure I would love to read in-depth articles from any religious or philosophical viewpoint, drawing lines of inspiration between the authors world view and male chastity. But I know that I am more interested in religion, philosophy and history of ideas (ideas in general) than most people. If you find my post to be "a voluminous letter discussing religion ad nauseum" I am okay with that. Then this post was obviously not for you.
     
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    That's a great answer. I find anything that my Mistress gets turned on by, turns me on by default. She might just walk past me looking at porn, or a shop, or here and see something and say "ooh! That's really hot! I'd like to try one of those out on you" and within 30 minutes we are ordering more stuff online!
     
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    Proud to be chaste, has your wife taken to putting you in chastity? Could you talk a bit about her take on all this? I'd love to be a fly on the wall as you lead a bible study on this topic! I wonder if more men or women would attend?
     
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    And now for a guest appearance from my wife:

    "I'm not a dominant person AT ALL by nature, so I have grown a lot as we have been exploring this, figuring out how to do chastity my way on my own terms. I find the idea of my husband giving me his sexuality, staying chaste for me and saving his sexual energy for my benefit to be very romantic. I also (not surprisingly) resonnate with his biblical view, and feel that him giving me his sexuality is a way of giving himself to me unconditionally, and also showing that he trusts my love for him enough to be extremely vulnerable. Chastity has made me more comfortable with our differences in libido, and much less afraid of being "not enough" for him sexually. It has made our relationship more intimate by increasing sexual intimacy, and also (and for me more importantly) by bringing us closer together emotionally. It has made me feel more loved, because it has made me practice to figure out what I want from him, and given me a platform that makes i easier to express my wishes. My love language is time, and chastity has definitely made us spend a lot more time together on my terms (we have for example spent hours and hours reading my favourite books aloud together, which has meant a lot to me!). I have also become more confident, both sexually and in general. I did start out doing chastity mainly for my husband's sake, but now I really enjoy it for myself also, and am very happy that we are doing this! Like everything in life, chastity for me also has its ups and downs, but there have definitely been more ups than downs. Maybe I'll even get my own account on this forum some day, to find some inspiration ;-) Hope that answered some of your questions!"
     
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    Thank you and your husband for sharing all this! He, you and I seem to to be thinking alike, I have come to think of my sex drive as a gift God gave to my wife for HER enjoyment and for years I have been taking matters into my own hands, sometimes just because I didnt want the work of pleasing her, or she had made me mad so I was.... anyway. The more I think about masturbation, my marriage, and Gods view of it the more I think I need to stop, use the energy to pursue my wife, and find my satisfaction in her pleasure. I to think its romantic, I want so much to give her the gift of my chastity (the changes it makes to a man are a long list!), but it has not clicked with her :( she seems indifferent. I will admit that I find the idea of submitting my sex life to her to be totally intoxicating, God gives good desires!

    What got you on board with locking him up?
     
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    Maybe a better way to phrase the question is what was your aha! moment?
     
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    Not baptized, never attended a church service. But! We studied Genesis when covering creation mythology. Love the story. It seemed dumb until we really looked into it. A tree. An apple. Yadda ya.

    It really reveals or puts a grasp on what we understand as serving a purpose. If something does not serve as it was created for, we look at it as bad/evil. A chair missing a leg. We can't sit on it, we'll fall, it's a bad chair, it's evil!

    So believe in God or not, in the story, at least, as he is the creator, created man to love God. But can you appreciate someone constructed to love you if they do not have a choice? No. That is why in the story he gave man free will. I created you, I gave you a choice. I will test you. Do not eat from this tree.

    And well we all know the rest. The Bible mentioning chastity-of course they didn't mean a holy trainer v4 or whatever number they're on now. But one poster mentioned pleasures of the flesh. This is where I think chastity may actually be at odds with the Bible, a device on you is kind of a pleasure of the flesh.

    But if you're not religious, there is nothing to worry about. And books are great, just because you read them doesn't mean you believe everything. Thanks for sharing your story. Keep reading and do what you feel is right.
     
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    Wife here again! I'm not really an aha!-moment-person, and usually adopt new perspectives and opinions slowly through experience. So prepare for a story ;-P

    The reason I agreed to try out chastity in our marriage in the first place, was mainly because I saw how important this seemed for my husband. Differences in libido had been (and sometimes still are) a returning issue throughout our marriage, and he made some reasonable arguments that chastity could be a part of the solution. I didn't feel a great need for it myself at the time, but agreed to try mainly because I could see it meant a lot to him, and also because it sounded fun to experiment with something new, and it was worth a try if it could help us improve our sex life. I started very small, and asked him one evening if he would manage to stay chaste for me until the morning (not a very hard task!). And even if it was a genuine (though in a way trivial) request from me, I would never have come to think of asking if I didn't know that he wanted me to. I still remember how he hugged me that evening, almost with tears in his eyes, and seeing how much this meant to him was my main motivation and reward as we first got started with chastity. But I soon started to appreciate the changes I saw in him in the (at first short) periods he stayed chaste (with or without a cage). He became more devoted to me, and made me feel more adored than ever when his sexuality was completely surrendered to me.

    But the most important turning point for me has been to gradually wrap my head and emotions around the concept of doing chastity mainly for ME and MY benefit (as is my husband's desire), since it can be easy to think that we mostly started doing it because he wanted to. I have a personality where I have a hard time making decisions and can often be unsure about what I want, so to figure out and decide how I want his sexuality to benefit me does not come naturally to me. It has been a long and slow journey, and I'm lucky I have a patient husband. His persistence has been crucial for staying on our chastity journey. But in slowly managing to change my focus from "this is something my husband wants" towards "this is a gift that I can spend completely on what I deisire", I have come to enjoy chastity so much more.

    It is easy for me to say that I believe your wife would enjoy your chastity if she got to experience it, but of course her and your journey is different from me and my husband's. But I find it beautiful that you want to submit to her through chastity, and hope that she will be able to appreciate and enjoy that gift in the future! Our journey has had its ups and downs, chastity of course doesn't magically solve all challenges, and we have spent many hours in difficult conversations about how to make this work for us. But all in all, I feel that wat we have gained have been worth all the struggles.
     
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    Male chastity gives the wife a choice!
     
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    Well on topic of submission it's similar. In the story, love is only appreciated when submission is given with free will. Chastity is submission but kind of a sacrifice of free will once it's on. Which is cool. It's that first giving over that's really special. Kind of what I was driving at. I can see what the OP means by submission in the bible. While it is about submission to the God figure, in this case you're worshipping a person. Which is against Bible. But I'm not religious. It's. I get it. It's cool. Like it.
     
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    Say WHAT!? Being in a chastity cage, even the most secure device possible does not mean a man is worshiping his keyholder! I get the connection, but I think its the wrong perspective. I know male chastity can be many colors, but what the OP is talking about (OP, please correct me if I'm wrong) is a man sacrificing his insatiable momentary pleasure for his wifes long term well being. God is very clear that a man is to love his wife like Christ loved the church, if Christ surrendered Himself to murderers than I'll gladly surrender my sex drive to my amazing wife.
     
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    I think you're misunderstanding me completely.
    I'm not a worshipper or practicer of the faith.
    But in that ideology, marriage is for man and woman to become in Union as one entity. Not my ideology, just in that faith. In that faith, would your dedication to her be as meaningful because you wear a device that keeps you from orgasming without her? Or would it mean more that you have the choice but don't do it? Again. Not my faith. But! I think it's pretty solid. Do as you will. Distraction from the point. The Bible is about submission but not wearing chastity for your wife. Who cares? Live your life lol these aren't my beliefs just from what we've studied.
     
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    #72 Proud to be chaste, Jan 8, 2022
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    Concerning the kind of submission I am talking about, captivatedbyher is spot on. It is not about "worship" in the religious sense, nor about lack of free will, it is about "a man sacrificing his insatiable momentary pleasure for his wifes long term well being" as he puts it, or as I have tried to explain in my OP.

    I get Nick1789 point that in a religious (or christian, at least) mindset it is better to make sacrifices out of free will. I agree. And usually I am on the honor system. But even if my wife locked me up, it would be out of my free will. She would never force me to do anything, but even if she did - let's be honest, I am physically much stronger than her so there is no way she could ever lock me without my full consent. And if locked I could easily just take the keys from her. But I never would do so, because whether on the honor system or using a device I want to practice chastity with her, out of my own free will.

    By the way, you mention "lust of the flesh". That's a long theological debate, and I don't think this is the place to discuss it. Just let me say that I personally don't see any conflict at all. I don't see anything neither for nor against the use of chastity devices in the bible. That's just my opinion, you may of course disagree.
     
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    Chaste in a biblical sense is a different meaning. Now we have devices which is not what it meant. I mean lol I don't really care. But! Here's what's crazy. Some people do.

    I stumbled upon some kind of Christian Chastity forum a little while ago and whatever sect they were, they were discussing cb6000's as perfect solutions. Not only that! They wanted to order them and lock up their son in high school. I can't make this up.

    My point is that to lock up and submit to someone, free will duh but! You're placing them on a pedestal (false idol) and admitting you are not equal.

    That's what hops back to the first point. Chastity wearing is not justified by the Bible. Chastity as a spiritual practice is, if not married.

    Regardless, again I don't really care, I'm not Christian. but there is a difference. lol have fun with it!
     
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    I find it interesting that you are eager to discuss ethics from a biblical standpoint while not christian. Nothing wrong with that, just curious why.

    I am very aware that chastity in the bible has a completely different meaning. What you refer to from the christian chastity forum is really messed up, I hope it is satire.

    I don't know any christian that feels the need to use the bible to justify all behaviour. Christians don't need a biblical "green light" to drive a car, use electricity - or use a chastity device. The question for a christian would rather be the principles behind the topic in question; here marriage and sexuality.

    Pedestal? Perhaps. Idol? I don't think so. I know that some conservative christians like to label lots of stuff as "idols", even when the bible is quite specific when it comes to use of that word. Self-sacrificing love (also in marriage) is encouraged in the bible, and it is never warned against as "idol-worship".

    Anyways, thanks for your thoughts. We sure have fun with it, I hope you have too!
     
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    Awesome. Well it's like, I can study Harry Potter but doesn't mean I want to be a wizard. It's interesting to see where people come from.

    Regardless-the topic of bible, Genesis, and submission interested me. Then there's this. “Wives, submit to your husbands as to the Lord. For the husband is the head of the wife as Christ is the head of the church, his body, of which he is the Saviour."

    Yikes.

    I don't know it just seemed like a peculiar topic. I wasn't really sure that those stories could really encourage what is going on here.

    It kind of makes sense, kind of doesn't. But if it works for you it works.
     
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