Covid-19 and Life

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    Dogs don't need to tell you how they fell, their symptoms are obvious when they appear. The difference is that her rabies vaccination prevents rabies. The covid vaccination does not prevent the virus or from you spreading it. The reasoning for getting it was to make it less likely of hospitalization if contracted but now we are seeing that it isn't the case. Yes there are documented stories of serious side effects that are being dismissed. I'm specifically referring to heart/cardiac complications which I personally have experienced. Long story short, I recovered from covid and received the first Pfizer dose, had serious chest pain, heart palpitations, fluttering, etc. In the U.S these issues are not formally recognized as side effect and don't qualify you for a medical exemption from vaccine mandates. So I no longer have a career in health care because I won't get the second and beyond doses, and more increasingly can't be a part of society. I now am searching for jobs that don't require education or experience. Basically delivering the mail, Amazon, warehouses and such because I don't have the time or money to go back to school. Last year I was working on a covid unit basically by myself without protective gear or a vaccine and now I can't enter buildings, get on a plane, and so on.
     
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    #427 good2fun, Oct 3, 2021
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    In Germany vaccinated and from covid recovered people are treated the same. It is recommended that recovered persons get a single shot only.
    There is evidence that the virus load of vaccinated persons is less that of unvaccinated.
    Denmark has released all restrictions but has a total vaccination rate in excess of 75%.
    We will see what happens there.
     
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    The recovered people with a single dose administered theory has been shut down in the U.S. just like any other discussion that involves nuance. What is it like in Germany as far a politics and covid go? Here in the U.S even medications have become highly political. People seem to forget that Trump was the one pushing covid vaccines through standard procedures to get them out there and the idea was met as if he were Josef Mengele, then right after Biden became president they were all of a sudden the greatest medical marvel ever created. There have been just so many lies and reasons that created this divide and mistrust.
     
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    #429 good2fun, Oct 3, 2021
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    We have here also a lot of discussions in the people. Luckily there is not such a huge diametral position in the politics.
    Since our health administration is federally organized there is a bit of difference in the measures but the main strike direction is common.
    Our vaccination campaign seems to stagnate.
    We have so called 3G rules were G stands for the first letter of the words “tested, vaccinated, recovered” which apply for restaurant and other businesses like cinema, theater, clubs. free of charge tests have been stopped to increase willingness for vaccination.
    If you are quarantined without being vaccinated and are not able to go to work, your employer is not reimbursed for the salary he still pays you,
    If you work as teacher, in a kindergarten, health system etc also having close contact to “Clients” you must be vaccinated. Due to integrity of personal data an employer of other businesses must not ask for vaccination status.
    To be continued dinner time.
     
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    The tests were never free of charge, taxpayers will be picking up the bill for billions. A lot of people are getting very rich out of this.
     
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    Free of charge for the individual.
     
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    Until they or their children pay for it in tax rises.
     
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    Let’s make the guy in the front right unnecessary.
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    Winston,

    Your story is one of the most crushing "side effects" of this crazy drive to give everyone experimental gene therapy. I cannot express how much sympathy I have for you. I personally had to move across the entire country to avoid the tyranny. Soon, I will be in your shoes. After that, possibly worse. But I will not ever give in. To do so, won't end the misery anyways. History has taught us this lesson.

    Stay strong buddy. You are not alone.

    Laz
     
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    Not just "that guy" in the front right, but all of those serving him......and with a little bit of thought, we can guess who they are as well.

    Nice cartoon!
     
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    I wanted to change from guy to guys but edit time was over.
     
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    Critics slam Twitter fact check of obituary attributing young mother's death to vaccine | Fox News

    This is the problem. If they would just be honest and admit that there are dangers it would help bring trust in to the discussion.
     
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    It is also echoed by russia today....
    https://www.rt.com/usa/
    Is there a source beside the obituary?
    According to this she was vaccinated with a vector vaccine which is not first choice for female people younger than 60 years. And since there is enough mRNA stuff available I am a bit puzzled.
     
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    Can anyone explain how we went from people falling dead in the street (Wuhan) to a million people protesting and no one falling dead in the street?

    Strange ‘pandemic’.
     
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    ....or why our deified "front line heroes" turned into "selfish anti vaxxers" who need to be fired?

    If hospitals are "overwhelmed" how can we afford to fire so many healthcare workers?

    How come we don't read about hospitals being even MORE overwhelmed?
     
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    I'd like to know how busy the undertakers are...
     
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    I spoke to one last year and he said he had been on half furlough.
     
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    Soooo....
    In the middle of a pandemic...
    With how many thousands of excess deaths...
    The profession that buries the dead...
    Is 'busy' enough to be on half-furlough...
    Interesting...
     
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    Because funerals became 'wham bam thank you mam' events....no big funerals, no church service then cremation service, no string of black cars....
     
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    #447 L-u-c-y, Oct 6, 2021
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    Shame on everyone who encouraged lockdowns and this behaviour.

    Lockdowns are an atrocity. "What is the alternative, let the bodies pile high?", yes, let them pile high, because lockdowns are going to pile them massively higher for decades.

    Think of all those 500,000 people in the UK alone who spent the last year of their lives locked in a care home and not able to see their families, and when they died they couldn't even have a proper funeral. It's just disgusting.

    You people are the selfish ones, you thought more about saving your own hides than the elderly.

    https://www.tandfonline.com/doi/full/10.1080/13571516.2021.1976051

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    I was intrigued by this, so I prodded the internet a few times.

    STATISTA
    UK 2019 604707 deaths
    UK 2020 695812 deaths
    Approximately 7000 Firms of Undertakers

    2019
    604707/7000 = 86.4 deaths handled per undertaker
    2020
    695812/7000 = 99.4 deaths handled per undertaker
    or
    695812/3500 = 198.4 deaths handled per undertaker

    Workload if all undertakers full-time = 99.4/86.4 = 115%
    Workload if all undertakers on 1/2 furlough = 198.4/86.4 = 230%
    At either of the two extremes, the undertakers should have been busier than they were in 2019.
    Question: Were they busier, and/or were they spending less time on each funeral?
    If they were all doing 'quickie cremations', then it is possible that many of then were on furlough to a greater or lesser degree.

    Like many things related to this pandemic, a simple answer is not forthcoming.
     
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    And further clouding the issue: Precisely WHO is dying and why.
     
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    As a degreed economist, I am rather familiar with methods to estimate the value society puts on a human like. Even more interesting, the value an individual places on his own life when you examine their behavior.

    So far, I was only able to take a cursory look at this article. But the conclusion makes utter sense. The costs of the lockdowns are astronomical. And the "even if we save just one life" argument is shown to be utter rubbish.

    The biggest peacetime policy blunder? Hah! I think it's the biggest blunder mankind has inflicted upon itself. Even more than WW2. The ramifications are only beginning to be understood.
     
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