Gap size question

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    Does the gap size effect the cage length I should order? If my understanding is correct the bigger the Gap is the farther away from my body the cage will start. So with a 3/8 gap, and a 2" cage, would that be correct for a penis length of 2 3/8"?
     
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    No, you have to add the thickness of the A-ring.
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    As an example a Looker 02 with some dimensions in inch. These values are not scaled.
     
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    Correct you would need to add an extra 1/4 for the ring. If you want I posted some really good picture of a 1/4'' vs 1/2'' gap on a 2'' cage.
     
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    Do note that the "parallel gap size" is not the same as the "real gap size" at the bottom, the latter being bigger.

    With reference to the image of the Looker, a couple of posts back, the distance between the front and back rings is MUCH bigger at the bottom than the perpendicular distance between them, caused by both the back ring being a bigger diameter, and in this case it being curved back.

    In the case of that device pictured, the actual gap at the bottom where the scrotum hangs is about 0.5"

    Given a particular parallel gap size, then if either ring diameter is different, then you will have a different "real gap". This is why different devices with apparently the same "gap size", will fit you very differently.

    It's also why people have difficulty finding the best fit even with multiple rings for a device, as by swapping the base rings you're changing BOTH the ring diameter (fit around the penis) AND the gap (fit around the scrotum).

    A common method of adjustment, bending the pins to widen or narrow the "real gap" at the bottom, doesn't significantly change the gap at the top where the pins are (as the pins remain the same length!) This is more applicable to the pin and padlock type, it's not so easy to do on the integrated lock type.


    So, be very careful of exactly what it is you're measuring when you want to know what the comfortable gap size is for your device and yourself.
     
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    The measurements you want to get right, in order, are as follows.
    It's difficult to get the next one right, until you've absolutely nailed the ones before.

    - Base ring diameter
    - Tube ring diameter
    - Real gap distance
    - Cage length


    - Base ring diameter
    must be as snug as possible without ever causing pain.
    Wear rings without a cage for a day.
    If they fall off they're too big.
    If they hurt, they're too small.

    - Tube ring diameter
    Should be a snug fit
    Too tight makes it awkward to put on and clean.
    Too loose isn't that critical, but snug is best.

    - Real gap distance
    as narrow as possible without pinching.
    With the base ring and tube ring being different diameters and usually aligned at the top, the gap between the rings will be the smallest at the top, increasing all the way round to be largest at the bottom. It's because of this that sometimes the gap will pinch, and sometimes a testicle will pop out, both being caused by relative twisting of the cage and scrotum. The difference in gap between the top and bottom depends on both the difference in diameter of the two rings, the separation between them, and whether they are parallel.
    As said, it's difficult to get this measurement right until you've determined the best fit for both rings, and if you change either ring diameter then "Go back to Start".

    - Cage length
    your tip should touch the end with no free space, lengthways compression is fine. If there's more often than not free space at the end, then your cage is definitely too long. Most people's first cages are much longer than subsequent ones, but it is also a case of getting used to wearing them. There isn't a "too short" for the cage, you can usually compress your penis right back into your body for long periods, and in fact, the shorter the cage, the more comfortable most people find it. The only downside being you'll need to take the cage off more often to clean and stay healthy if it's scrunched up without ventilation.
     
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    Good advice above all of you. Thanks
     
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    I've modified the diagram to illustrate just how awkward measuring the gap can be...

    There are three factors that can result in the size of the gap actually being larger that what you think it might be...

    - Firstly, the difference in diameter of the rings means that there is a vertical as well as a horizontal separation between the rings at the bottom, making the actual gap larger.
    - On some devices the base ring is "ergonomic", curved towards the body, so that again makes the gap larger than if the ring were flat - the perpendicular gap assumes it is flat.
    - Many devices are not rigid when assembled, there is some play between the assembled parts allowing the base ring to move relative to the cage. This movement can also increase the gap size from the nominal measured separation.

    Given that the difference in comfort and wearability can be significant between gap differences of just a few millimetres, you can see how each of these factors can alter the actual gap size by far more than that.
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    First time I have seen this explained so well.

    I know all of this, but sometimes it seems that not even manufacturers realize how this works. I know only of CherryKeeper that bothers specifying this. Unfortunately in their case, there is some play in the device and also slight inaccuracies in printing that can alter their (correctly specified) nominal gap by 1-2 mm.

    I wish all manufacturers specified this as well as CK does.
     
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