The Official "Permanent" Caged/Denial Matrix post.

OMG @Giles_English that really does look devilish. And I agree with the analysis on your blog, that could be a big financial incentive to stay sealed. (Not locked, "sealed" ... makes me shudder a little bit). Good luck!

 

Just experiencing it now...

 

My KH has kept things pretty consistent throughout the year. I’ve moved to an (8, 7.5) with less options to remove the cage. I’m now only allowed out for supervised cleanings and on the rare occasions that she wants PIV, but I’m not allowed to orgasm. She generally prefers one of the dildos we now have.

 

My keyholding wife talked over expectations for next year. I expect to be at (8,7) for 2021.

She could let me have the thrill of wearing it for medical examinations like I did in 2019, but really her preference is to make those experiences non-sexual for me.

She’s promising no less than 1 orgasm and a few perfect ruins in 2021.

I have to comment, the climb from 7 to 8,9,10 on the denied axis is pretty severe.

I’ve been at (7,6).

@Tom Allen I re-read your blog entry and this update where you step back on the denial matrix. You said your wife “allows” and actually encourages you to have a caged orgasm by whispering words in your ear.

You might be changing your set point. I’ve been in a similar situation where mental stimulation from her mind fuck causes me to gush in my cage. I feel relief of pressure. But only later when I get a full orgasm, unlocked, do I realize “no, THAT was an orgasm”

The problem with defining denial is what you consider an orgasm. My wife defines it as any twitching whatsoever. If I twitch, in my cage or not, even slightly, then I had an orgasm. Denial a funny thing.

Eventually, I think if you live without direct stimulation long enough you might fall back down the denial axis, even if you’re living in essentially permanent chastity. Your orgasms become different.

I once had an orgasm without spilling. Purely mental. I’ve given up trying to count or figure out what’s going on. My wife’s encouragement is to just let go, and exist in the moment. I literally have no idea when I spill now. I’m so out of my mind.

 

Been there! The effects did wear off over time, thankfully! But what a wild ride it was. Since I've been unlocked now for almost a year, I guess I'm not even on the scale... but as I mentioned in another post, chastity is and seemingly always will be the best outcome for my married sex life. I am left with memories only right now, but there is no doubt in my mind anymore that chastity is indeed an effective conditioning tool. So while I am not on a scale of physical tangibility, the lasting effect of the time I did wear my cage keeps me primed in a head space just below the surface indefinitly.

 

I’m going to assess self as 8,7

 

For those who are interested in an update....

 

That's probably because I'm fairly new to this

 

Question is to find where the real challangers are. Being caged frequently implies most likely also being denied significantly (as being derived from the results). Perhaps the real challange to chastity is in the left upper corner, no/less cage but being denied (and survive) to the max. Perhaps the guys in the upper left might face even more challages then all the guys in the upper right corner. In respect of those who are "lower right" I guess they are on their way in development of their relationship or to develop themselves to become denied more than now. Food for feedback I would say?

 

I am most interested in the C9 answers. A whole thread could be dedicated to just that. Whose decision was it? Was it a mutual decision? Was the doctor 'okay' with it, and if so please explain... This step out and away from privacy to me is the final frontier. It blurs lines and makes chastity medically accepted, or at least acknowledged. A doctor's perspective on patients who utilize chastity would be even better. Or at least these assessments would make for some fabulous fiction that I want to believe. For now I might be C0/D8. My wife has forever controlled our sex life, chastity or not, she gets sexual pleasure when she wants it and in return I get an occational back rub. It may not be direct denial or teasing, but I am denied, and truly have very little will to assert myself in opposition to that regard. She decides when, it has almost never been the other way around.

 

While I had rated myself as 6/2 originally, over the last few months things have changed to 7/2. Over the holidays it was temporarily more like 8/3. Pretty much the only reason I unlock is a bike ride, or PIV sex with her... and the rain and poor weather, combined with family and other such goings-on over the holidays, meant that there were very few unlocks in December.

I'm responding to this to comment on the "development of the relationship to become more denied" comment, though. As I've mentioned below, I'm fortunate that my wife likes PIV, as do I! If she's in the mood, neither of us have any issues with unlocking and having all the fun we feel like. The limits on that are more related to the family, work, and other such 'real life' things.

She has taken more interest in ensuring I'm locked (see my blog entry if you care why), but I don't see that developing in a way that makes me more "denied", so while the 'C' metric has been increasing lately, the 'D' metric was mostly increasing just because she was tired and didn't feel like continuing after she was done, but before I was... I expect that will continue to be a 'rare' event.

 

Well, I was an 8/8 or 8/7 for several years but as of four months ago my Mistress has said that the cage is not coming off anymore and no orgasms at all are allowed. I still think I'm only a 9/9 but I'll check back in a couple of months and update.

 

8/10 for me, last orgasm last august. There won't be more for a very long time... If ever.

 

I've only just seen this thread and I think that this is the best method of measurement that I have seen. CM should adopt this as a standard. I would put myself in at 6,6 on balance.

 

That makes sense. There really seem to be two male chastity tracks.

 

I'm probably a 6/2 now. Mrs Sen is finding some confidence in denying me. Sometimes it will be explicitly stated "no release for you today", other times when sex would normally occur (in whatever form that may take), there is just kissing/cuddling or I just leave her be altogether (the old "performing wife duty sex" expectation / pressure is completely removed).

 

I was wondering how the length of time and denial extent correlate. It would seem on day one that a locked person couldn't yet define that extent. After two weeks one might have a clearer picture, but an honest evaluation must only be obtainable after years. So how long does it take to best understand what or how one might fit into this matrix?
Also, just a thought, is the need to put numerical value to a relationship a male thing? How many D's or female kh's actually care about such definitions?
Sorry if this is redundant.
Side note: I was asked to lock up again about a week ago and of course I did as asked. I'm anxiously awaiting the next page to turn, but with a degree more patience and hopfully maturity this go around.

 

I'm a 7/5. She doesn't really deny orgasms as much as she denies me sex. She's in a bit of a sexual low right now. She thinks my chastity cage is amusing and was certainly surprised the first time I showed it to her. I wear the cage for weeks at a time, only taking it off to shower and clean the cage. We have kind of a running deal where only she washes my penis, and she will play a little bit when we shower together. Sometimes, if I need to shower and she doesn't, she'll reach in and wash my penis for me. The idea is I don't touch my penis and that it's hers; this continues even when I'm not in chastity. I am currently two weeks into my third chastity period. The first two were for a month plus each, with a few months off in between. She knows she can tell me to cage up, but so far, I'm the one who has initiated it. She has only asked me to stop wearing after the first period when I got really sick (not covid but sure seemed like it) back in the summer.

I wear the cage 24/7 except for the cleaning. At the beginning of a chastity period, she has a lot of fun teasing me about it (verbally and physically). She likes the way it feels with the exception of the padlock, which has sharp edges. I've posted a separate thread about replacement padlocks.

Ultimately, I want her to be in control. Currently, she is to some degree in that she is in a low sex period and hates that. So, no orgasm because no sex. If I complained or asked for a release, she would probably say sure and let me masturbate. I would like her to control the situation more, but I also am not going to pressure her about it or top from below.

 

8/8 for me.

 

I know I have done this before but just like every thing else in life things change at this point I'm more 8/9

 

8/7 is pretty much my ideal

 

Well, here we are four moths later and I'd say I've gone from thinking I was a 9/9 to a 10/9.5. Always locked with nothing but a single ruined orgasm while caged in 256 days. I'm told it will continue to be this way. She'd prefer 10/10 but that seems impossible. Eventually even the lightest rub causes something.