Thought Experiment: What would an actual real-life and functioning Matriarchy look like?

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    In the near future, the USA splits apart into a fractured number of smaller nation-states based on geography and cultural norms.

    Somewhere in temperate middle America, a group of women and Female-led men band together to carve out a large tract of land based on a matriarchal lifestyle. Established relatively smoothly and without social upheaval, this new nation-state is about the size of a current US State and has good relations with it's neighbors in terms of immigration and trade. We also have a mix of urban and rural areas.

    The fledgling nation experienced a large population flux as people within moved to neighboring nations, either to get away from the anticipated cultural changes or to move to better locales. However, a number of singles and family moved-in, to help found a new country. That was about 10 years ago and the initial population change has somewhat stabilized.

    At this time, perhaps 25% of the population firmly believes in matriarchy. 50% is non-committal or agnostic, and 25% believes in patriarchal norms or is somewhat egalitarian. There are a similar mix of ages and races as to what was found within the ex-US.

    So here we go. Please, no fantasy material. We are trying to be realistic as possible.

    What do we call our new Country?

    What type of government system does it have and how does its new legal system operate?

    How enfranchised are men (or disenfranchised) within this legal framework?

    How about marriage? and how does that affect men's rights in this new country?

    What interesting societal or cultural traditions begin in our new Nation that differentiate it from our neighbors?

    How are immigration and tourism handled?

    Do we have a military, and if so what does it look like?

    Probably an interesting viewpoint on modern society....what form does social media take in our new country, and what's the most popular TV show or movie?

    Are sex, nudity, and fetishes kept private, or does this Nation show a more liberal flair?

    What other aspects of our new Country show us to be distinct from our neighbors?
     
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    #2 LockitMan, Aug 19, 2020
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    Essentially men have no rights. In convoluted legalese passed by the Womens council and Senate they have the right to be informed of their rights, in writing which they must sign, in each given situation by each owner or handler/employer. They are not allowed to own any property or have bank accounts that exceed $2000. They've all been chipped for ID and tracking and are not allowed cash, only bank cards that track purchases with balance sheets sent to the wife/owner. Men only eat a tasteless nutrient rich food product and are required to participate in the mens gym program which together ensure that all the men are fit and trim for life.

    Men go to vocational schools to learn service in all its guises and styles. There are elite schools that teach courses for men to become a kind of western male geisha. Dressed in elaborate outfits signifying their strict dedication to this highest calling for a man to become an elite service submissive with special skills and talents for high protocol service. Sexual and otherwise. Being sexually serviced or pampered by these dedicated male geishas is said to be the ultimate pleasure for the high powered business executive women. And it's a standard all men strive for as best they can.

    Men are housekeepers, assistants and secretaries but women run the government, all businesses (men are not permitted to own any kind of business or attain any high position in one. This is a very strict rule) They run the financial sector and the central bank. Owned by and for the women of this nation-state.

    Men do as they are told and are quite happy in their place as women have learned all the methods, tricks and traps to keep men on point and highly motivated. They're blissfully happy with their chores, trials and rewards, and quite content to be there because they support all women and the continued growth of their wonderful matriarchy.
     
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    I think this could work quite convincingly along Saudi Arabian lines (I mean with reference to their largely technically transient workforce): it's not that men are disempowered so much as only women can be citizens, own property or own a business.

    A micro or small state is also a plausible idea because people who were comfortable with the idea would move there, and those who grew up their who didn't like it, would seek their fortune elsewhere.

    Roughly half the men around you would be incomers, meaning that they lacked the social capital - the established network of connections and back channels - and inheritance of the those who grew up there. Meanwhile, women would have most of the the economic and structural power.

    So, there would be a reasonable default assumption of women having higher status than men, and men being comfortable with it. There would be no need for women to be manipulative, or infantalise men. The context would simply nudge relationships into being Female Led.

    What would it look like? Pretty much like some modern Northern European countries, but with the men increasingly absent the higher you climb professionally, more spas, gyms, and more frequent yarn festivals.

    There would be far more lesbian relationships: for non-dominant young women, women would be the exciting sex.

    Male/Female courtship would very knightly, with the man proving his worthiness and devotion, and (vanilla) submissiveness. That would easily bleed over into more female-focussed femdom as an unremarkable relationship mode.
     
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    I can totally see this being a thing. I think all men would be more involved in beautifying themselves- jewelry, hair, cosmetics. Essentially all in pursuit of marrying well or wooing the most appealing woman they can.
     
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    The Saudi comparison is quite compelling. Powerful women who control the State and Industry, while their males stay hidden away. I would imagine it would be quite common for women to keep a number of domestic males. Matriarchal polygamy would be a thing!
     
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    The prospect of women freely having multiple lovers in our new Women-Led State is interesting. The practice is more precisely called polyandry, but in idly reading about the practice I learned about the Cicisbeo - these were men who publicly escorted their married female lovers around town.

    Cicisbeo, with the approval of the husband at home, took their married female lovers to plays, to dining events, and yes even to church. Wow, the 18th century was pretty torrid!
     
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    Texas invades Mexico. Cancun becomes a state governed as matriarchal state.
     
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    Why would average Texans fight for Matriarchy? And isn't Texas 45% Hispanic, anyway?
     
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    obviously you’ve never been to Texas. Hispanic doesn’t equal Mexican. I’ve never been anywhere where women are treated as an equal like in Texas.
     
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    Texas seems apt; My Miss is from there and thinks socialism would not be fit with a matriarchy whatsoever. After all, she expects men (and women) to look after themselves, not be slovenly, and to be polite and to not interfere with their neighbors. She sees socialism and femdom as incompatible, therefore to her, a matriarchal state would be quite tolerant and non-interventionist, dare I say it 'libertarian' in nature.
     
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    I'll defer to your obvious experience as a Texas native, but it still doesn't answer my question. Treating women as equals doesn't necessarily mean men are going to risk their lives for something that doesn't benefit them directly, does it?
    And speaking of Hispanics, can you honestly imagine a dialog like:
    "Hey, Jorje, let's invade the country that your cultural roots stem from, that a dozen of your relatives live in and put their lives in danger just so me and my wife can LARP."
    "Sure, Jimmy, that's a great idea!"
     
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    Obviously, you and I have very different ideas about libertarian values. My understanding was that libertarian society has equality as one of its core values. I doubt disenfranchising men can be compatible with that.
     
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    Think this question has been around before.

    Old Trek episode clip.
    Safe for work..

     
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    I think you are mixing the Saudi model and what my Miss said together.

    Despite that, if men are free to enter and free to leave, I don't see how that as necessarily incompatible with a libertarian philosophy.

    Seems like we are getting derailed by politics though.
     
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    I remember that episode! Beam me down Scotty, I'm just gonna stay planet-side for a bit!
     
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    I can only speak for myself but I would invade the U.K. my family immigrated 4 generations ago. If you hear the Battle Hymn of Texas anytime soon I would hide behind your wife’s skirt. An island nation such as the U.K. would be a perfect land mass for such a nation state.
     
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    Fair enough. No need to be inferring I hide behind skirts, though. We're just having a polite conversation.
    I do agree with you regarding the fact that modern Britons (or what's left of them) have very weak fighting spirit.
     
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    Given that US has a Fundamentalist Christian government, the likely hood of a Matriarchy is zero.
     
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    So the other place women get treated equally is in the educated British middle classes.

    Which makes me think this could kick off would be as a well-funded Research Institute for women scientists, somewhere remote from other middle class jobs, thus creating a local economic situation where the women are the ones with the cool careers.
     
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    All Trump and current politics posts deleted.

    Keep it on topic please : )
     
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    In the general sense, males would become passive objects to be acted upon by women. Perhaps like a pre suffrage/ women’s rights type of situation. Women should basically get a turn to have the world in the same way that men have had until this moment. Men would become an accessory to women and their value/autonomy would be in relation to a woman.
     
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    To take this topic seriously, everything being discussed here is a Margaret Atwood level dystopia. Disenfranchising and subjugating half the population would always be a terrible idea no matter what criteria is used to divide the population. Just my opinion
     
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    That's why it makes more sense as a microstate.
     
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    Perhaps it is, but we are discussing a matriarchy, which by definition means one gender has the upper hand. There are a number of nations, some already mentioned here, which have half (or more) of their population subjugated. Saudi Arabia is but one example.

    The difference here, is that our ground rules let the population settle as they saw fit; some left, some remained. Presumably, the inhabitants of our new Nation are where they choose to be. Is that practical, or would so many leave the state would collapse? I don't think so, because as we saw earlier in thread some nations have only a small elite over a much larger population. Alternatively, we have a rich history of rural nations rising to greatness. Sparta, Macedon, Persia... all achieved dominion over much larger nations with vastly greater populations.

    I don't think our superior nation-state will go on the aggressive march, but presumably they can not only survive, but thrive with a small group of people.
     
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    You are veering into current politics again. Post deleted.
     
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