Sleeping in cage and programmed cell death?

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    Hi everyone. I'm new to chastity and have some worries about sleeping in the cage. I read something here in another thread that preventing night time erections can cause something called "programmed cell death" which will permanently damage the sponge tissue in your penis. Is there any truth to this?

    I've slept in my cage before for up to a week and a half but just recently did a little over 2 weeks, and I'm noticing some changes. First, the night time erections went from straining against the cage to just barely happening. Now I'm noticing that my penis doesn't seem to get as hard as before and almost feels cold at all times (it's also winter here and my feet are always cold now as well). My stamina is also much lower and I barely get morning wood even without wearing the cage.

    Have I done permanent damage or will it return to normal? Has it just been trained to net get hard at night?Has anyone else noticed any adverse effects from sleeping in the cage every night for a while? I'm very worried I may have irreversibly damaged my member.
     
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    How old are you? It’s likely just a coincidence as you would have to seriously damage your testicles to the point that they aren’t making as much testosterone. Those things are really touch and it usually causes great pain by any injury. A testicular torsion or other injury is incredibly painful so I doubt you have damaged yourself.

    You may want to get your doc to do a hormone panel to see what your T levels are and your FSH levels. If FSH levels are high, it will indicate that the testicles are having trouble producing T.

    One problem you may encounter is what many doctors consider “low T”. Below 50 is castrate but some consider 201 ng/dL to be ok. Normal goes up to about 1,200 ng/dL and you have to figure out what level is optimal for you.

    As far as a cage causing apoptosis, I can’t imagine that happening. I suppose if you were caged for years you could get some plaque build up in the penis arteries which could cause erection problems but that can happen anyways if you are not healthy.

    Have you started any new medications?
     
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    Thanks for the detailed response. I'm 25. I haven't started any new medications but I have been stressed out recently due to real life stuff not pertaining to this. On top of that because of the stress I haven't been eating well or drinking enough water so I'm dehydrated and malnourished at the moment. My penis also seemed to be working at fully capacity immediately after taking it out of the device. I'm only noticing these effects the day after I had an orgasm after being in the device for 18 days.

    Hopefully it's just a coincidence but I'm wondering if anyone else has experienced anything similar. I'm sure the stress of worrying about it isn't helping either. But I'm still worried because I didn't sleep in the cage last night and had no morning wood this morning, and also came very quickly today before my penis even achieved a full erection.
     
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    It’s normal to have erection problems for a day or so after a long lock up. Even if you get shrinkage it stretches back out in a few days.
     
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    Hopefully everything will be ok. I'm going to start drinking more water and eating better today and I'll update the thread with my progress. In the meantime if anyone else has input as well I would appreciate any and all of it.
     
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    I am not advising you, merely reporting my experience. I have just finished a session in my cage lasting 224 days, without any removal, so I slept in it every night. The JailBird cage is a little shorter than my flaccid length, as recommended, and allows part erections which push on the end.
    Apart from some skin soreness which will take a week or so to heal, no damage done of which I am aware. It is important the base ring is not too tight of course. Good hydration and nutrition are very important, as you point out. I run regularly.
     
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    Thank you that is reassuring for sure. I think it may have more to do with nutrition and hydration. I barely had an appetite while locked. And I switched out for the larger ring when it was time for bed just to be sure. My cage allows a bit of growth but I would still feel it straining against it.

    I researched it briefly and it says that apoptosis can be caused by compression and lack of blood flow. That's what I was scared about. It apparently doesn't take long and is painless so I guess you wouldn't really know if it's happened until you notice a large change.

    I was able to get almost as hard as normal earlier and there was no shrinkage, and my stamina was better that time. Had difficulty keeping it for long but again think that's due to dehydration.
     
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    I am a programmed cell death slut .
    I am happier this way. Erections in chastity are horribly uncomfy and inconvenient.
     
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    I have been locked regularly for the last several years and I cannot relate to what you are describing. If you have a base ring that is super tight, I can imagine some circulatory problems but you would be in pain long before anything happened.

    Agree with the advice that you should see your doctor if things aren't working as advertised once you discontinue using the cage.
     
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    Go see a doctor because I am not one.

    Post photos of you wearing your device flaccid and not because I suspect it is too tight due to your description of a cold penis.
     
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    Head over the reddit and see the post about u/cuckold_yyc. He was locked for an entire year and did before and after measurements: https://www.reddit.com/r/Silkysoles...urce=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf

    Spoiler alert: He was only 1/16” shorter.

    If anyone was going have a shorter, damaged cock, it would have been him.

    My personal experience is that I don’t get as hard or as big for a few days if I’ve been locked up for a while. I personally don’t mind this, but I am a bit older than you.

    Try not to worry!
     
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    I find after being locked in a snug ball-trap cage for a few days that it doesn’t perform well for a day or two after. It could be part psychological...
    That said, when I’ve worn a modified Chinese belt for a few nights which is not constrictive at all, everything works fine straight away :+1:
     
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    Being in chastity for the length i have over 3 yrs without an extended time out. I can honestly say like any muscle it can be trained. When after a few attempts to get hard and it can not i have not had to worry about morning wood. To see if things worked still (still does) i switched cages to a bigger one (same ring) and within the day my penis swelled up to the end of that cage.
    Like was said before go to a doctor and get those T cells checked.
    Let us know what he or she says but i suspect everything will be ok.
     
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    And if the penis were a muscle, that would matter. But it's not. It's spongy tissue.
     
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    While there haven't been any long term studies, there is a distressing large amount of bad information on this subject floating around the internet.

    You're apparently referring to this phenomena:

    This is the death of a cell due to injury, and the clean up response as the body disposes of old or dead cells. Someone had a vaguely remembered college biology class, and erroneously apied this knowledge to his own experience and then wrote about it someplace where you stumbled across it.

    The only anecdotal cases of men who have issues with their equipment working after chastity tend to be those who are already disposed to believing (or more accurately, wanting) in such after effects because of some kink or fetish. Or, there are other confounding factors: high blood pressure, cardiovascular constriction, weight related issues, age, lack of exercise, or medications.

    Also, *worrying* about your performance is bound to become a self-fulfilling prophecy.
     
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    agree with this,
     
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    Very true... :rolleyes:
     
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    Ok everyone, I've been doing some research and it seems I've got an entirely different problem altogether. I have contracted a condition called "hard flaccid" and I think it is a result of the edging session I did after my lockup. It's caused by an imbalance in the pelvic floor muscles. I've been doing some stretches and breathing to help with it and am going to change my diet to omit meats and dairies. I've seen a slight improvement and my penis isn't as cold anymore but I haven't even tried to get it up yet. I don't think it would work right now anyway but I just want to let it rest. My anxiety is playing into it also I'm sure.

    I'm trying not to let it stress me out because it just makes it worse. I'll keep stretching and eating healthier and report back soon.
     
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    https://hardflaccid.co/pages/what-is-hardflaccid
     
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    I would increase meat consumption to support the nutrition required to produce androgens. Best to lift heavy for you in linear progression.
     
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    I wouldn’t personally cut out meat, I’d cut out cheap heavily processed meat. :+1:
     
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    Sounds like your biggest problem is hypochondria.
     
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    LOL, Good one! But I agree-erections, even partial, are uncomfortable, particularly if you've been locked for awhile.
     
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    Ok guys, I'm back. Sorry I haven't updated in a while but I kind of just tried to forget about this all and move on with my life.

    I've been eating healthier, drinking more water, taking supplements and anxiety medication, doing some light stretches/massages and putting a warm bottle of water on my genital 3 times a day.

    I've been noticing some definite improvement. My morning erections are coming back and getting slightly stronger. There isn't as much tightness in my pelvis and the hard flaccid is diminishing slowly. I'm noticing it feels spongier again and is starting to hang instead of being tensed up and pointing outward, and the warmth is also returning.

    But after even more research, I'm now thinking that what was the actual root cause of all this is a sudden onset case of PIED (porn induced erectile dysfunction).

    During my 18 days in chastity, I was either watching porn or fantasizing about sex in some way. My brain was constantly soaking in dopamine from all of this (VERY bad), and my theory is eventually I overloaded my system and burnt my dopamine receptors out and I became desensitized to anything sexual. This would also explain the hopeless, depressed feelings, non existent sex drive, low energy, feeling "numb" and basically everything else I've been going through since.

    Luckily, it can be reversed. You just have to quit watching porn, refrain from sexual activity for at least the first 30 days, then slowly start working your way back into real life sexual activites. It can take 90 days up to a year depending on how bad your case is, but I'm just glad it's most likely that and not likely that I damaged my penis in some way.

    Also luckily, I have a very understanding woman in my life who I opened up to about it and she's been very supportive of me and is more than willing to help me through it all. I'm so grateful for her.

    She never knew about the chastity, but it was a game I was playing with myself while taking to her. We don't see each other very often, about 2-4 times a month because it keeps things fresh between us.

    For the game, I would lock myself up immediately after she would leave and would not unlock myself again until it was time to see her again. I also stopped initiating the plans and just waited until she would make them, that way it was kind of like her deciding when I would be unlocked.

    Oddly enough telling her about my issue has brought us closer together and I'm feeling more confident than ever that I'm going to be ok and normal again someday, maybe even better since I'm not going to go back to porn. In fact she says she KNOWS I'm going to be just fine, and she always knows best. So from now it's just a long, slow road to recovery with lots of kisses, cuddles and lovey dovey talk with her in between. Feeling much better now. Maybe this was a blessing in disguise...
     
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    Greetings,
    I might be able to tell you in a few days, just posting now so I can find the thread again, day 16, 14 since last o, one coming soon.
     

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