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    Bad news..

    Me and P decided that L should stay in the chastity device for 4 months without cum. after only five days and half of chastity cage with a lot of teasng and denial he failed. Last time we have had sex he lasts a few strokes only so we decided that it's over and for a month he wouldn't be allowed to have sex at all. But 30 minutes ago P was teasing him while caged.. and after some "tongue games" at his little friend, we saw a big, single flow of cum going out from his cage.. not the usual "explosion" that i'm used to see when he cum but he released quite a decent load without a complete erection (as i told you, he was caged).

    So i didn't want that and neither P does.. but i don't know what to do.. P it's not angry, to be honest.. she says that L was completely full and it was very difficoult for him to hold it even if, when he was almost having the orgasm, we both exhorted him to hold it back.. so she says that a punishment it's not mandatory.. but she's going too softly with him.. if i don't punish him now he will think that it's a joke and in those 4 months he can cum, when he wants it very hard, because we will "understand" his situation.. but i also don't want to be always the bad one..

    What should i do?..
     
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    Some one needs to be the bad guy! If he was told not to cum then did it without asking then I think he should be punished.
     
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    I was uncaged to provide pleasure for my KH and I had an unauthorized orgasm last night. But, I had been denied for several weeks. So, I don't know what the punishment will be. Doesn't seem as if she feels I deserve to be punished, but I feel badly about it just the same. Wish I could have held back. She did say that better alternative methods must be put in place. So, I know I have to improve on that some, and then their will be less opportunities for me to make mistakes.
     
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    There will always be a chance of some leakage, especially if being teased, even in the cage.
     
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    I have never cum without permission for over 4 years. I always alert my wife and she knows my body well enough to see the warning signs of an orgasm. I have even pushed my wife's hands away. Either the two of you need to become more familiar with your chastity boy's body and signs of impending orgasm ,or the chastity boy should alert you when he feels he is going to cum. There should also be a punishment if all else fails.

    It seems that you all have a game going on where is thinks his job is to cum and you do not. Chastity will never work long term unless all parties work towards the same goal. If I started to trick my wife into letting me cum, she would do one of three things:

    - First offense - a very hard cropping or paddling.
    - Second Offense - locked up for 3 months even during sex and not teased at all.
    - Third offense - my wife will hand me the keys to my device and tell me she is not going to waste her time trying to get me to do what I asked for. She will not discuss going back into chastity until after 6 months have passed.

    You may want to watch some chastity or ruined orgasm porn. Those women know when to stop and you may learn a few techniques. You should not be trying to make him cum during sex; you should be just trying to tease him. If you try to make him cum, he will cum and not be able to control it. My wife did that at the beginning. She ignored all the warning signs and did not stop when my body was telling her that I was going to pop. We cannot stop it mentally once the pump is primed. So perhaps a little adjustment on both sides. Have him warn you as soon as he feels he will cum and if not, punish him or refuse to play anymore. You can control it if you really want to.
     
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    I don't think they were trying to make him cum... it says they were teasing him...
    And since he is the one with the locked up penis he should be letting you know. Someone suggested to me using a number system for measuring how close to any release he is... maybe this could work for you?
     
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    We know... let's not let anyone kid each other. Yes playing that close to the edge there will be accidents , but we know when we are close. That's one of the reasons I prefer to ruin my own orgasm instead of her doing it. There is such a small margin of error between ruined and real, and don't want to spoil her plans.

    When she tells me not to cum it becomes my responsibility to either stop her from stimulating me or warning her. I am however not immune to pleasure, so if she keeps going after I warn her that's really on her and I feel no guilt about it.

    Although if it's a game on whether he can hold back or not...well it's a game and is supposed to be fun...have fun.
     
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    ok me and P decided for the punishment. but we've not idea.. the unic thing we thought was to increase the time in chastity but i decided for 4 months because he usually starts his track session.. maybe we will peg him.. i've never done with him.. this time he must not cum.. and yes, the idea of numbers of @LadyS is fanatstic!
     
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    If he didn't ejaculate with any force, then it would have been more like an edging. If that is the case then any pleasure he would have received would have been minimal as dribbling, even large amounts, is kind of an describable sensation. Maybe like peeing but not really.
     
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    If he was told not to come an did he most definitely needs to be punished. Weather it is corporal punishment, more time added until his next release or whatever YOU feel is appropriate. If it was a full or ruined orgasm doesn't matter. He came.....

    It should be no different than when you tell tell your children not to do something and they do it anyway. If there is no punishment after they were told not to do it then the only lesson that they learned was that they can get away with what they were told not to do.

    Swift and memorable punishment is the key. Give him something to think about before he does it again.
     
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    I feel that any teasing or sexual contact that you think could over-stimulate him to the point of cumming if you do not want him to should be preceded by a stern warning: "Tell me if this gets to be too much and you are going to cum, but...Don't you DARE cum!". If he cums anyway, then I would punish him very severely for not obeying you.

    Sometimes I will go past my husband's point of no return to make him cums just so I can punish him. I do this to reinforce his submission. I find ball spanking to be a very effective form of punishment for sexual offenses. That method "hits close to home", so to speak. [Unless you know what you are doing and know your partner well enough to push his limits, "Don't try this at home, folks!"]
     
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    I totally agree with this advice! Also yes, thats our main way of punishing Greg, I'll slap his balls if he offends Me. It's best to ask him questions about his actions and reinforce Your punishment with a physical and verbal lesson :)
     
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    You should set rules and the consequences of violating them.

    If bf is under discipline of chastity, he must not ejaculate without permission. He is not allowed to ask for permission if he's under discipline or chastity with 2 exceptions, both during supervised masturbation sessions (the only time I tolerate masturbation).

    1. If I tell him he may ask for permission.

    2. A supervised masturbation session I've decreed to mark the end of his disciplinary or chastity period.

    If he ejaculates without permission, he gets 25 strokes of the tawse & he has to count them. If he misses the count, we go back to the number before he missed, he gets "help" counting and I "help" him count to 25, then we start all over from 1 and I "help" him count. The "Help" goes something like this:

    Miss Cecilia: How do we begin? WHAP!
    pantyboy: One, Ma'am WHAP!
    Miss Cecilia: One. WHAP! What comes after 1? WHAP!
    pantyboy: Two Ma'am, WHAP!
    Miss Cecilia: Two. WHAP! What comes after 2? WHAP!

    and so forth to 25. I always add a few extra strokes at the end "because I said so".

    I always enforce the penalty, zero tolerance for ejaculation without permission while under discipline or chastity. Of course, during supervised masturbation, I rarely give him permission to ejaculate, so he gets a tawsing. Sometimes, I will "bargain" with him and get him to agree to things if I give him permission. If it's a session to mark the end of a period of discipline or chastity and he ejaculates without permission, I don't usually put him back in chastity, but he gets the tawsing no matter what.

    He has to bring me the tawse, kneel, kiss it, present it to me and ask me to use it on him. Sometimes I make him ask sincerely, sometimes I make him beg.

    Ejaculation without permission must not be tolerated. Discipline for breaking the rules must be sure, swift and severe. He's going to learn to control himself or I'll teach him how & until he learns to control himself, I'm going to control him.
     
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    Very well done! Bravo!

    Far too few women realize how effective ball spanking can be as punishment and as a deterrent. Especially for sexual offences. It literally hits home to the seat of the offence. With very little effort on the woman's part and with minor variations in intensity, ball striking can cause everything from a bit of discomfort all the way to gut-wrenching pain that will have him doubling over with tears in his eyes. Just a few sharp flicks of your finger on the side of one of his balls can be exquisitely painful. Such power!! You need no special items, it is silent (except for his muffled shreiks of pain), it leaves no marks when done correctly. The most valuable aspect is that for the amount of pain it can cause, when done correctly there is extremely low potential for doing damage. That such power over my husband can be concentrated in just the tips of my fingers is totally awesome to me!
     
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    Ball torture, slapping, squeezing, striking...hard limit for me. I would be done with all of it if she decided that was a suitable punishment.

    Although some people don't mind or like it...for me just thinking of them getting hit makes my stomach ache.
     
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    For variety and greatly enhanced additional "dread factor" try adding ball spanking to your repertoire. I am amazed at how effective it is as punishment and deterrent. Having the very center of his masculinity literally at my mercy is true power.
     
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    That queasy feeling the very thought of getting your balls slapped is the "dread factor". Your opinion lends much credibility to the status of ball spanking as a very effective deterrent. If it is your hard limit (for now) that is good. My husband's hard limits are becoming fewer and fewer; generally, the more I push his limits, the fewer they become. I feel it is a dominant's responsibility and a defining aspect of being dominant to continually but sensitively and sanely push a sub's limits. My subby-hubby still has some remaining hard limits, and I am still working on the one's we do not have in common. Ball spanking was one of them, not anymore. It is so effective that I would encourage all knowledgeable sister Mistresses to consider using ball spanking on their submissives.

    Like my signature line says: Works for us...may not work for you.
     
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    I decided for "public" humiliation.. i told that he's caged and that he cum after a few minutes of teasing in the cage to one of his friend.. now she would like to see it and he's very embarassed.. but he know that he deserve it.. so i think tomorrow evening he will show his erection in the cage and how he's allowed to fuck me, now. He told that he will never cum again without permission
     
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    I am caged nearly full time in a Holly Trainer. It is the smallest size, with a cage less than 2" long, even though I am only slightly smaller than average size. It is a task to put it on! Mistress also has a strap attached to the end of my cage which is drawn between my legs and locked to a form fitted waist strap that I cannon pull down over my hips. My cage is thus pointed down and "rests" where it belongs--within the cotton lining of my panties. I constantly respond to the stimulations that are natural to my Mistress--Her body form, Her natural and enhanced scentejaculate unless I am under Female , Her perfectly made up face and hair do, the clothes (and heels) She wears, and Her movements and voice. I also respond to the stimulation that other Women "give off" in public. All of this, just to say I am dripping pre cum day and night. Mistress assures me that this is part of my feminization--to get used to the constant wetness of my panties--and I am assured that this isd precisely the reason for the cotton lining.

    Mistress does not consider my pre cum to be a form of ejaculation. HOWEVER, if I have a "wet dream" and my panties are soaked to the point that my discharge has leaked through to the nylon layer of my panty it is considered a violation of Her rule to never ejaculate without being under Female supervision. When this does happen She nearly always punishes me by shooting ben-gay into my cage with a syringe every night for one week, extends my lock up time to two weeks, and makes me wear a very small and tight girdle for two weeks [which I am allowed out of only for work].

    There is only slight danger that I would cum during a supervised masturbation. First of all my worthlessness is always cinched in a strap that keeps me in female position [I am capable of reaching my tingle point, and throbbing against my strap when I cum, even when it is tightly cinched]. Secondly I am only allowed to masturbate while on my knees with my lips sealed to Hers and with only one finger allowed under the leg opening of my panties. Third, a leash is attached to the wrist of the hand I am allowed to masturbate with [often my left hand to add to my challenge]--a She pulls my hand away before, or at any point of my climax. She knows where I am emotionally during the whole event because it is communicated to Her through the intensity of my moaning and the way my tongue is exploring Her. I am trained to always begin rotating my hips when I reach the increased tingle of pre ejaculation so that She can decide whether to allow it or not. This also allows for another Feminine Decision which is to let me recover to go again, and again if it pleases Her. I have been trained to "pay" for my allowed sexual pleasure. If I have gone thru a tease and deny episode I always come to attention before Her, spread my legs, and lift my hips to receive 5 sharp snaps to each testicle at the end of Her long acrylic nail. This payment is extracted before my worthless can be uncinched and immediately returned to my cage. If full climax is allowed my strap is clipped to the toilet seat where I must kneel for 15 minutes and receive 8 snaps to each testicle to take away all arrogance before being placed in my cage.
     
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