Covid-19 and Life

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    U.S. Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch Issues Excoriating Review Of Chinese Coronavirus Lockdown Policies Including Business Closures And Vaccine Mandates Calling Them ‘Among The Greatest Intrusions On Civil Liberties In The History Of The Nation.’
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    On May 18th. (my birthday by the way) US Supreme Court Justice Neil Gorsuch blasted the “breathtaking scale” of emergency decrees issued by state and federal officials during the pandemic, calling them a historic threat to freedom.

    In an eight page that accompanied a routine order, Gorsuch decried lockdowns, school and church closures and vaccine requirements, casting them as fear-induced overreactions that could drive a slide toward autocracy.

    Justice Gorsuch wrote,

    “The history of this case illustrates the disruption we have experienced over the last three years in how our laws are made and our freedoms observed.

    Since March 2020, we may have experienced the greatest intrusions on civil liberties in the peacetime history of this country. Executive officials across the country issued emergency decrees on a breathtaking scale. Governors and local leaders imposed lockdown orders forcing people to remain in their homes. (Emphasis added)

    They shuttered businesses and schools public and private. They closed churches even as they allowed casinos and other favored businesses to carry on. They threatened violators not just with civil penalties but with criminal sanctions too.

    They surveilled church parking lots, recorded license plates, and issued notices warning that attendance at even outdoor services satisfying all state social-distancing and hygiene requirements could amount to criminal conduct. They divided cities and neighborhoods into color-coded zones, forced individuals to fight for their freedoms in court on emergency timetables, and then changed their color-coded schemes when defeat in court seemed imminent.

    Federal executive officials entered the act too. Not just with emergency immigration decrees. They deployed a public-health agency to regulate landlord-tenant relations nationwide.They used a workplace-safety agency to issue a vaccination mandate for most working Americans.

    They threatened to fire noncompliant employees, and warned that service members who refused to vaccinate might face dishonorable discharge and confinement. Along the way, it seems federal officials may have pressured social-media companies to suppress information about pandemic policies with which they disagreed.

    While executive officials issued new emergency decrees at a furious pace, state legislatures and Congress—the bodies normally responsible for adopting our laws—too often fell silent. Courts bound to protect our liberties addressed a few—but hardly all—of the intrusions upon them. In some cases, like this one, courts even allowed themselves to be used to perpetuate emergency public-health decrees for collateral purposes, itself a form of emergency-lawmaking-by-litigation.

    Doubtless, many lessons can be learned from this chapter in our history, and hopefully serious efforts will be made to study it. One lesson might be this: Fear and the desire for safety are powerful forces. They can lead to a clamor for action—almost any action—as long as someone does something to address a perceived threat.

    A leader or an expert who claims he can fix everything, if only we do exactly as he says, can prove an irresistible force. We do not need to confront a bayonet, we need only a nudge, before we willingly abandon the nicety of requiring laws to be adopted by our legislative representatives and accept rule by decree. Along the way, we will accede to the loss of many cherished civil liberties—the right to worship freely, to debate public policy without censorship, to gather with friends and family, or simply to leave our homes.

    We may even cheer on those who ask us to disregard our normal lawmaking processes and forfeit our personal freedoms. Of course, this is no new story. Even the ancients warned that democracies can degenerate toward autocracy in the face of fear.

    But maybe we have learned another lesson too. The concentration of power in the hands of so few may be efficient and sometimes popular. But it does not tend toward sound government. However wise one person or his advisors may be, that is no substitute for the wisdom of the whole of the American people that can be tapped in the legislative process.

    Decisions produced by those who indulge no criticism are rarely as good as those produced after robust and uncensored debate. Decisions announced on the fly are rarely as wise as those that come after careful deliberation. Decisions made by a few often yield unintended consequences that may be avoided when more are consulted. Autocracies have always suffered these defects. Maybe, hopefully, we have relearned these lessons too.

    In the 1970s, Congress studied the use of emergency decrees. It observed that they can allow executive authorities to tap into extraordinary powers. Congress also observed that emergency decrees have a habit of long outliving the crises that generate them; some federal emergency proclamations, Congress noted, had remained in effect for years or decades after the emergency in question had passed.

    At the same time, Congress recognized that quick unilateral executive action is sometimes necessary and permitted in our constitutional order. In an effort to balance these considerations and ensure a more normal operation of our laws and a firmer protection of our liberties, Congress adopted a number of new guardrails in the National Emergencies Act.

    Despite that law, the number of declared emergencies has only grown in the ensuing years. And it is hard not to wonder whether, after nearly a half-century and in light of our Nation’s recent experience, another look is warranted. It is hard not to wonder, too, whether state legislatures might profitably reexamine the proper scope of emergency executive powers at the state level.

    At the very least, one can hope that the Judiciary will not soon again allow itself to be part of the problem by permitting litigants to manipulate our docket to perpetuate a decree designed for one emergency to address another. Make no mistake—decisive executive action is sometimes necessary and appropriate. But if emergency decrees promise to solve some problems, they threaten to generate others. And rule by indefinite emergency edict risks leaving all of us with a shell of a democracy and civil liberties just as hollow.”

    Unfortunately Neil ... you are a day late and a dollar short: Where were you two years ago when people were fired and/or being forced to get the Fauci juice? It would've been nice to here more of this WHILE our rights were slowly being stripped away but I guess you have to give Gorsuch credit for speaking out.

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    https://www.supremecourt.gov/opinions/22pdf/22-592_5hd5.pdf
     
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    Way too funny .... No .... actually way too sad!
     
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    In the US, we still have over 1,000 deaths per week from COVID. That's quite a bit of difference from the common cold (at close to zero deaths per week).

    But sure, other than actually killing lots of people and maiming many more, COVID does spread like the common cold, and its milder symptoms are much like those of the common cold. I'd rather never have COVID, but I also would rather have fewer colds (I've had almost none since the start of COVID), and fewer bouts of the flu (I've had none since the start of COVID).

    I do get a yearly flu vaccine. Is that also something that makes me "sheeple" or whatever the latest term is for ridiculing people who don't think that scientists and doctors are working for Satan?

    I just don't get it. I don't get how we went from "We can actually work together to rid the world of polio", and switched to "hey, I have a God given right to not immunize my children from measles / mumps / rubella because Bill Gates". It's like I turned my head for an instant, and everyone converted to the "Christian Science" religion, in which going to a doctor or using medicine causes you to go to hell.

    Maybe I'm the crazy one? :rolleyes:
     
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    The days of "free" money are just coming, as Money Printer go BRRR!!!!
    They're just going to digital "coinage" now - in violation of common sense, the Constitution, and in the (obvious) name of "Security" (Surveillance of the population), and their belief they can print forever.

    But that gravy train is going to end. Never forget the REAL minimum wage income is ALWAYS $0. Not per hour. Not per day. Not per Week, or month, or year - ZERO. PERIOD.

    You are never OWED a "living wage," and attempts to legislate a Universal Basic Income (let alone a minimum wage) results in a "new" zero point: Whether it's $1/hour, or $500,000/minute is irrelevant - that's now a "store of value" set to ZERO.

    It would be nice to really work out the numbers, but the basic value point for most of us to compare is, give or take, 1950...
    Well, here's the output of the page: https://www.usinflationcalculator.com/

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    So it's UGLY as is, that's just what came up on loading. But 1950 is about the longest any of us MIGHT have direct knowledge of, so -
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    Now, as this would seem to be a neutral source - How's YOUR grocery or Energy bill looking these days? We had to MOVE to avoid a rent default - we were renting a house, and it was heated by Oil, and the $900/month sort of costs put us so far in the red, we were scrounging and living on credit. And I earn over $100,000/year, but in Boston area...? You'd want $300,000/year for a family of 4 adults + 1 infant. (A room to rent was $1,000/month a few years back, and it's more now - guy at work was just doing market research to move out on his own, or with roommates.)

    So that's based on official numbers, and it doesn't match our findings... Our "lived experience."

    But as long as the proles believe the official narrative, the Elites don't care.
     
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    Everyone is the Hero in their own story.

    (Except me; ;-) )
     
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    It's amazing that isn't it? Maybe you and people like you should think of the way you acted during a minor virus. Maybe you should think about not acting like that again, as you will put even more people off of vaccinations.
     
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    Speak no Evil, but PUNISH THE WICKED.
    Those who look at humans and see a number.... They are looking at humans (and all other life) the wrong way.
     
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    Hey, I resemble that remark! ;-)
    (Seriously, I do.)

    But if a hypochondriac (who is basically never sick) can see through the BS of "the Vaxxxine" - why can't normal people?
    No matter what, if the numbers don't line up - someone's lying!
     
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    In the UK we have over 2000 excess deaths a week over the 5 year average, and 2 of those years were supposedly a deadly pandemic.

    Doctors say only 10% of these deaths are covid, and they are baffled what is causing the rest.

    The massive over reaction and panic by people like you is causing it.
     
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    Interesting article about Scotland which was only discovered from Freedom of Information requests...

    https://www.ukcolumn.org/article/sc...e-populations-most-in-contact-with-the-public

    Zero Covid deaths in working-age populations most in contact with the public, 2020–2022

    Given what was routinely portrayed in the mainstream media in 2020 and beyond during the course of ‘the pandemic’, one would expect the death toll ‘from the Covid–19 virus’ to be abnormally high in the employed groups most in contact with the general public, namely shop workers, police and teachers. Covid was, after all, reported many times as a ‘once-in-a-century’ event.

    You may have seen in my previous Freedom of Information piece that there were, astonishingly, zero deaths among all doctors and nurses in Scotland over a three-year period from Covid–19.

    With that established, my curiosity was firmly engaged. We can see from official statistics that the total number of people employed in Scotland within shop work, the police force and education is around 300,000—there are approximately 245,000 jobs in Scottish retail; 16,600 are employed by Police Scotland; and 52,600 Scots work as teachers.

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    You’re not crazy True. You are delusional.
     
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    Catchy tune!
     
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    Flu vaccine is only recommended for people of a certain group. Age, underlying deseases (asthma, copd, heart isufficience or so) immunosuppressives.
    Or if you have fear.

    The choose over a half year before the vaccination season which strands might be spread in the following season.
    Mostly the vaccines are wrong.
    The vaccine includes two A and two B strands now, since they have chosen to jab with quadrivalent vaxes instead of trivalent ones.

    The only thing that speaks for a vaccination is a immunity for 10 years and cross immunities between the several vaccines.
    Natural immunsation lasts lifelong.

    Deaths in combination with corona virus. Not death due to. There is a big difference. If an elderly person dies and has corona. They call it covid-death.

    On thenother hand it is still strange, that people get infected with corona and even die. I mean so many people are vaccinated 3, 4, 5 times. And they still die. There must be something wrong OR all those deaths are unvaccinated people.

    There a re flulike infections that also kill people. Like for example hCoV OC43. Or influenza.
     
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    “ IF ONLY WE HAD A VACCINE AGAINST THE B.S. ”



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    How do you know?

    I'm not calling you crazy, or not. I'm just questioning the figures just like I've questioned everything with this who mess.

    Just look through all of this and you'll see all I've asked is to find out the truth.

    In my case, I don't trust any of the figures, "facts" etc having to do with any of this. There are too many lies, too many things that aren't right, too many things that were change, and on and on.

    I guess I just don't believe any of it. And I suspect that's one of the goals. To create doubt and cause fear. I'm not afraid. Well I guess I am. I'm afraid this will only get worse and that the trust for our government won't ever return.

    But that's an aside.

    For you, I feel for you if you believe the numbers. If you feel they're accurate then all I can say is we totally disagree as I just don't trust them. (yes they could be right or they could be wrong).
     
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    This was in my local paper Monday Jun.17 2019. 6 months+ before he whole scamdemic started. Kept the entire newspaper b/c there was something about me in it. Cleaning clutter out of my place now and clipped the article about myself and found this before discarding the rest of the paper to the garbage......"We need to make it easier for parents to vaccinate their children".......Getting an early start on things I guess.

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    mRNA PATHOPHYSIOLOGY
    See my post #5439 above dealing with mRNA vaccines for influenza. In the below video Dr. John asks is there going to be systemic inflammation from these mRNA vaccines; how do we know where any systemic inflammation will occur in the body when the lipid nano-particles are distributed all throughout the body; how do we control the amount of antigens these vaccines produce; and why aren’t the sponsors of these vaccines (governments and BIG PARMA) asking and answering these basic fundamental questions?



     
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    Croatian EU Parliamentarian Mislav Kolakusic Publicly Declares WHO a TERRORIST Organization
    In a stunning statement, Mislav Kolakušić, a Member of the European Parliament for Croatia, publicly declared the World Health Organization (WHO) a terrorist organization.

    At a press conference together with Dr. Robert Malone and other politicians, Kolakusic voiced his opposition to WHO’s proposal to have all countries sign an agreement giving the agency sole authority to declare pandemics and acquire vaccines and drugs.

    I would like to briefly make the people aware of the upcoming danger for humanity,” said Kolakusic. “The World Health Organization wants all countries to sign an agreement on handing over the authority to declare a pandemic, procure vaccines, and drugs. It will be healthier and safer for humanity to sign an agreement with the Colombian drug cartel. They know all about drugs for sure.”


    The Croatian parliamentarian went on to accuse the WHO of disseminating lies throughout the Chinese Coronavirus pandemic. He said that the Chinese-Backed organization had misled the public by initially declaring the virus as new and unknown, falsely asserting the efficacy of vaccines, and making misleading statements about their ability to protect against serious illness and death.

    During the COVID pandemic, World Health Organization only told lies. It should be declared a terroristic organization. They lied. That there is a new and unknown virus, that it is possible to make an effective vaccine, that the vaccine is 82% effective, that is protects against serious illness and deaths. That all of course were foolish and lies.”


    Kolakusic further said that the WHO’s actions during the crisis were more dangerous for humanity than the World Economic Forum (WEF). (That’s debatable.)

    See:
    https://twitter.com/mislavkolakusic/status/1660567427778838528


     
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    MORE FROM DR. JOHN ON THE FLAWED (BOGUS) mRNA INFLUENZA VACCINE PHASE 1 STUDY


    Why is the deal being done by the government (with the devil) before the research is done?



     
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    Bizarre. My reasonably responsible behavior caused people to not get vaccinated?

    Regarding the 10% figure, is there an NHS source for this? Those percentages are dramatically different from what we have on record in the US.

    As best as I can determine, I am thinking and writing rationally and dispassionately on this topic.

    I am also attempting to be respectful of others. For example, I am not posting doctored pictures of public figures that attempt to dehumanize them by making them look like sinister rats. (See above.)

    If true, that is quite the opposite of what we have experienced in the US. For example:
    https://www.npr.org/2022/01/12/1072411820/law-enforcement-deaths-2021-covid

    Quote: "Last year was the deadliest for active-duty law enforcement in nearly a century, with COVID-19 identified as the leading cause of death for the second year in a row. Some 458 local, state, tribal and federal officers died in the line of duty in 2021, according to a preliminary report from the National Law Enforcement Memorial and Museum (NLEOMF). That makes an increase of 55% from the previous year's tally of 295 and the highest total number since 1930."

    Regarding the NHS, this was the only link I could find on a similar topic, but it did not include Scotland:
    https://www.ons.gov.uk/aboutus/tran...existingconditionsfromapril2020tofebruary2021

    I don't know how those figures compare to the general population, nor how it compares to what we have experienced here. Nor do I know how the terms used in those statistics compare to those that we use here in the US. So I won't attempt to draw any conclusions from it.

    Note: The link you posted is from "the ukcolumn" web site, which seems to be known primarily for being a conspiracy theory web site:
    https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/uk-column/
     
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    I had also thought that the flu vaccine was only for old people, but my doctor suggested that I get it annually.

    The CDC guideline: "Everyone 6 months of age and older should get an influenza (flu) vaccine every season, with rare exceptions." From: https://www.cdc.gov/flu/prevent/whoshouldvax.htm
     
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    That's what you said, the actions of people like you caused other people not to get vaccinated, and has seen a drop in vaccinations for other things.
     
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    Wow! Imagine how that would have sounded two years ago
     
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