Covid-19 and Life

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    Humanity is finding out? Their government’s want them ill, sick and possibly dead. It is time to resist. Don’t consent. Become ungovernable.
     
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    Yikes! (Sometimes the truth hurts!)
     
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    COVID-19 Vaccines Can Cause 'Permanent Disabilities,' Says German Health Minister

    "Lauterbach responded that the tweet was “misguided” and an “exaggeration” he made at the time, noting that it “did not represent my true position.”

    It is/was a slight of hand on the part of politicians and bureaucrats. There is a difference between "safe" and "relatively safe," but they never made this distinction.

    First they pretended the risks associated with Covid-19 were the same for all. Which was never the case. Therefore the risk/benefits were the same for all.

    They also decided all lives have the same value, i.e. a child's is the same as that of an 65/85 year old. You would never guess that a bunch of ancient people run the federal government. They also decided harming or killing a child was the same as that of someone over the age 65.

    Well in the land of the Woke, everything is equal, but not really, some are more equal than others. Elites are more equal than everyone else.
     
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    USA! USA!

    Unvaxxxed Smart American

    And

    UK

    Unvaxxed Kinship.
     
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    Biden isn't the only one in DC with dementia! In the case of politicians and bureaucrats, it seems to be prevalent even among those in their early twenties. In fact, it is a job requirement.

    The problem is the media knows if they don't play along, politicians will not give them interviews or answer their questions in a press conference.

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    It Takes at Least a Decade to Be Sure a New Vaccine is Safe

    "After Twelve Years You Could Find Out That All Hell Broke Loose, Then What Have You Done" [Source: Dr. Anthony Fauci]

    The first link is to an article, the second is to video featuring Fauci saying it could take more than a decade to develop a safe vaccine, in 1999.


    https://twitter.com/TexasLindsay_/status/1636106320486047744

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    Dr. Fauci claims a coronavirus lab leak could still be considered a 'natural occurrence'


    I'm not a fan of Trump, believe he is an ass, and as of now have never voted for him, but Yeah, this sums it up:

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    #5207 MtnViper, Mar 20, 2023
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    In this video, Fauci says "science" had proven the vaccine safe. At this point, I am not aware that anyone has proven the delivery system to be safe. Perhaps relatively safe, but not equally safe for all. But we don't know for sure.

    As this man states, why are they bribing people to get vaccinated? Why don't people see a clear benefit to vaccination? If there had been a visibly high mortality rate, everyone would have lined up for the vaccine. Ultimately, did the vaccine prevent Fauci and Bowser from contracting Covid-19, as they imply in this video?


    I was told in early 2020 that all vaccines for flu like diseases had a limited effectiveness duration, but it is far shorter than I expected.

    They were trying to force herd immunity in a short period of time, which they accomplished to a high degree, in an attempt to suppress virus mutation, but the virus continues to mutate, rapidly.

    Their plan was to lock everyone up, vaccinate quickly, then allow life to continue. They chose to ignore the consequences of lockdowns, and repeated lockdowns. After all, their jobs and salaries were safe!

    Recent medical research articles have indicated frequent vaccinations adversely affect our immune response.

    The Omicron variant has been the most effective at decreasing mortality and injury, but it still causes death and injury in some. No solution, natural or man made, is risk free.

    https://twitter.com/Brick_Suit/status/1637709505193709571

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    I realize most people have Covid-19 burnout, but it is interesting to go back in time and see what was truly happening three years ago, versus what we remember was happening.

    CORONAVIRUS UPDATE: March 30th 2020
     
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    #5208 L-u-c-y, Mar 20, 2023
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    https://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2023/03/18/evidence-lockdowns-kill-people-lock-kill/

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    A study found that, from 2020 to 2022, Sweden had the lowest excess mortality rate
    in Europe, despite eschewing lockdowns CREDIT: Jonathan Nackstrand/AFP
    It’s their sheer smallness that is so striking. Their banality. Their triteness. I had
    hoped, reading The Lockdown Files, to find some explanation for the miseries that
    were inflicted on us in 2020. Perhaps decisions that looked imbecilic to the rest of us
    might make sense to those in the control room, able to survey information that we
    could not see. Perhaps there was a grand plan.

    But not a bit of it. What we see in the leaked WhatsApp messages are petty,
    frightened men at the mercy of events. They obsess over tweets and news reports.
    They fret about how they are coming across.

    Again and again, decisions are made for presentational rather than medical reasons.
    Quarantine could safely be cut from 14 to five days; but the problem, says Matt
    Hancock, is that this would “imply we’ve been getting it wrong”. “Imply”?

    Care home testing is initially rejected because the bigger issue is meeting the
    100,000 tests a day target. What is so important about that target? In medical terms,
    nothing. In political terms, everything, since some self-important broadcasters have
    decided that this is the measure by which the Government’s success will be gauged.
    Schoolchildren are forced wear masks, not because they do the slightest good, but
    because the Tories don’t want to look weaker than Nicola Sturgeon, who has imposed
    this dystopian requirement in Scotland.

    This being 2020, there is also inevitably some nonsense about whether a lockdown in
    areas with lower white populations would look racist.

    People often say that Yes, Minister is a documentary not a comedy. But what we
    really see here is a hideous, two-year, real-life episode of The Thick of It. “CALLED
    FOR THIS TWO MONTHS AGO,” exclaims Hancock at one point, in a line that could
    have come straight from Armando Iannucci’s ingenious script. “This is a Hancock
    triumph!”

    The problem is not with one politician, but with a dysfunctional system. Hancock
    comes across as (no other phrase quite fits) a bit of a plonker. But he also seems
    energetic and diligent. Having insisted on lockdown because he believed that
    vaccination would be the way out, he did at least stick to his logic and argue for a
    removal of restrictions once the jabs came in – a surprisingly lonely position when
    BBC reporters, public sector unions, Labour MPs and assorted malingerers were
    clamouring to keep it going.

    What we see is not a bad man, but a well-intentioned man caught up in a machine
    that might have been deliberately programmed to generate bad outcomes. Britain
    was driven into abandoning its proportionate, cool-headed epidemic plan, not just by
    shrieking TV presenters, but by perverse incentives. Put simply, decision-makers
    knew that they would not get into trouble for excessive caution. They could blow
    away billions, bankrupt businesses, ruin children’s education, and none of it would
    be a resigning matter. But make the slightest mistake the other way, and they would
    be done for.

    Easy to say in hindsight? Maybe. But those of us who said it at the time were roundly
    denounced as granny murderers. In February 2020, I recalled the ridiculous
    forecasts that had accompanied bird flu and swine flu, and cautioned against panic:
    “Politicians, like most people, are bad at calculating risk, and almost every minister
    would rather be accused of over-reacting to a threat than of having done too little.
    There is a similar bias, albeit a less pronounced one, among the various medical
    advisory bodies”.

    Every time I criticised the lockdown – and this column was one of only three or four
    doing so in March 2020 – I would steel myself before pressing send. I knew that
    demanding a reopening was hugely unpopular. What if it also turned out to be
    wrong?

    Yet the facts remained stubbornly at odds with the policies. As the disease spread
    from China, Chris Whitty pointed out that it was not dangerous enough to merit an
    acceleration of the vaccine approval process (no one, at this stage, was contemplating
    a UK lockdown).

    “For a disease with a low (for the sake of argument 1 per cent) mortality a vaccine has
    to be very safe so the safety studies can’t be shortcut,” he messaged on February 29
    2020. Reader, the mortality rate for Covid in this country never rose as high as 1 per
    cent.

    Why, then, were we panicked? What happened to the original epidemic plan, which
    was to allow infections to seep gradually through the population so that hospitals
    would not be overwhelmed at any one moment?

    The answer can be glimpsed in a message on March 8 from James Slack, Boris
    Johnson’s calm and measured spokesman: “I think we’re heading towards general
    pressure over why our measures are relatively light touch compared to other
    countries.”

    Too bloody right. And the pressure – cretinous rants from Piers Morgan, false
    rumours of hospitals being overrun, “Go Home Covidiots” signs – grew until, two
    weeks later, a prime minister who hated nannying with every bone in his body felt
    obliged to sentence the population to house arrest.

    Could he have resisted that pressure? Other countries had already closed, 92 per cent
    of the electorate wanted to be confined and the scientific advisers, sniffing the wind,
    had switched to arguing for tougher measures.

    But one country held out. Sweden, lacking its own pandemic plan, had adopted
    Britain’s – and, unlike Britain, it did not crack under criticism. Sweden is our
    counterfactual, a laboratory quality control showing what would have happened here
    had we held our nerve. And the evidence it presents looks damning. A study has
    found that, from 2020 to 2022, Sweden had the lowest excess mortality rate in
    Europe.

    That finding blows the case for lockdowns out of the water. In the early days of the
    pandemic, when the Government was being criticised for what looked like a high
    death rate (largely because it had sent NHS patients into care homes), ministers and
    medical advisers urged us to wait until all the evidence was in.

    They had a point. Covid was a new disease, and countries had wildly differing
    approaches to measuring it. There was a row about whether people had died “of
    Covid” or “with Covid”. Some nations did not have the capacity to test even this.

    But one thing that no one can fake is the overall number of deaths. We know how
    many people die annually in each country, and we can predict, on the basis of
    population size and age, what the figure should be for any given year. The excess
    mortality figure is the percentage above that expected baseline. It can be calculated
    with the same methodology the world over. It is, in short, the one statistic that there
    is no getting away from.

    Judged by this metric, Britain did not do badly. Our overall excess death rate was
    behind Scandinavia, in line with Germany and the Netherlands, and ahead of most of
    southern and eastern Europe. But the real outlier was Sweden, which had the lowest
    excess mortality in Europe, and one of the lowest in the world, throughout 2020 and
    2021.

    During the pandemic, I assumed that Sweden would emerge with a slightly higher
    death rate, but a much stronger economy. Since poverty correlates with lower
    longevity, I expected that, over time, Sweden would see fewer deaths from other
    causes, so ending up healthier as well as wealthier. But I underestimated the lethal
    impact of the lockdowns themselves. Sweden did not just do better over time; it
    actually killed fewer people during the pandemic.

    How did Britain’s leaders respond to the evidence that they should have stuck to Plan
    A? They took it as a personal affront. Hancock referred in his messages to the
    “f***ing Sweden argument”, and asked officials to “supply three or four bullet
    [points] of why Sweden is wrong”.

    But Sweden was not wrong, and no amount of desperate deflection about Norway
    also having a low death rate can disguise it. The horrible truth is that lockdowns
    killed people. Sweden had lots of coronavirus cases but relatively few excess deaths.
    Australia had few coronavirus cases, but a strict lockdown. It ended up with higher
    excess mortality than Sweden.

    Are people ready to believe it? Are we prepared to admit that the disasters we are still
    experiencing – undiagnosed diseases, absenteeism, debt, lost education, price rises,
    mental health problems – were self-inflicted?

    It seems not. We will go into the next crisis with the same skewed incentives. And all
    because, like so many Hancocks, we don’t want to “imply we’ve been getting it
    wrong”.
     
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    This alone shows me Fauci has no credibility. SCIENCE is a process. It's never "done" and sure as hell doesn't speak. And NO ONE speaks for all of science.

    It's process. It's the quest for knowledge. Something he clearly doesn't care about . It seems to me, he only cares about his power, how much money he can make and about group think. He doesn't get that the flat earth people are part of science. They may be wrong. But they keep us honest, and keep us having to think about things. And the round earth folks are wrong too. Flat and round aren't mutually exclusive. For the record, the earth is a sphere!!!

    My bet is if you ask Fauci he'd say the world is round. And again he'd be wrong!
     
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    There’s a sarcastic expression we use in the States for guys like him: “Real American Hero”.
     
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    #5212 MtnViper, Mar 21, 2023
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    Did the FDA rush to license Pfizer's covid vaccine to enable vaccine mandates?
    Internal FDA communications suggest it was part of the deliberation

    "In the end, Marks delivered on Woodcock’s demands. The Pfizer vaccine was licensed on Aug 23, 2021five months earlier than the FDA’s initial January 2022 deadline, triggering a wave of mandates across the US, including for military personnel."​


    Asking the uncomfortable question:

    Was Trump Tricked Into Lockdowns or Not?


    "On March 9, 2020, Trump still believed that the virus was manageable without extreme measures.

    "So last year 37,000 Americans died from the common Flu. It averages between 27,000 and 70,000 per year. Nothing is shut down, life & the economy go on. At this moment there are 546 confirmed cases of CoronaVirus, with 22 deaths. Think about that!
    — Donald J. Trump (@realDonaldTrump) March 9, 2020
    "Only three days later, he shut down travel from Europe, UK, and Australia. The next day, national security took over as policy lead. By the following Monday, he issued the nationwide shutdown order. It was a dramatic turnabout in week’s time."

    ...

    "If we had some serious journalists with access to him, this is the question they would ask: who got to you to cause from you dismissing the virus on March 9 to just one week later issuing the most extreme edict in American history that disregarded all rights and liberties? Surely he knows the answer."

    From the article I linked to yesterday:

    "The move was based on a simple model: 100-200k deaths if we continued shut-down vs 2-3 Million deaths if we lifted the shutdown in early April."​

    Current US Covid-19 death toll: 1.1 million.

    My guess no one in W. D.C. will be mentioning that prediction in any forthcoming press conferences.

    Of course, they will argue, the death toll would be twice as high without the lockdowns, but we will never know.
     
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    chilling
     
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    Funny I thought it was TRAITOR
     
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    But traitor isn’t sarcastic, it’s just true!
     
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    What you believe tends to determine what you believe.

    MSM has pretty much stuck with one narrative over the course of the past three years, and Fauci was lionized by the MSM and became their mascot. His position is their position.

    People tend to become entrenched in whatever position they take, and from a military mindset, entrenched positions are always eventually overrun.

    The controversy concerning the NBA and Disney demonstrate how much sway China and the CCP have over corporate America, greedy corporate America.

    https://twitter.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1638182821620596736


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    https://twitter.com/TheChiefNerd/status/1638193725900836864

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    THIS IS A MUST SEE!

    Watch The Esteemed Little Elf and Washington D.C. Mayor Trying To Pimp The ClotShot To Residents Of A Black Neighborhood In Washington



    NOT a good day for them! Their mamas didn’t raise no fools.
     
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    I agree with Fit. Watch this vid!
     
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    This data is for the whole of Europe.

    No one cares that the excess deaths in 2022 were virtually the same as in 2020, the year of the "worst pandemic for 100 years".


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    Interesting graph. Since these are ALL called "excess deaths", I wonder how one can designate "covid deaths" as "excess" after only three years.

    Seeing as many consider covid simply a rebranded flu, perhaps the covid deaths aren't excess at all. OR is every covid death "excess"? And if so, for how long will half a million die of it every year before it's thought of as normal?

    However, the dirty part is that the excess deaths really are not covid.....they are the response to it.
     
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    evidently critical thinking is passe'
     
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    Concerns over drug resistant viral infection https://barrie.ctvnews.ca/video?clipId=2652902

    *Candida auris*
    "1 in 3 or 70% death rate"
    "The only way to clean hospital room is rip out the floor tiles and walls"

    Heeeeerrrrre we goooo agaiiiiiiiiiiiinnnnnnn!!!!!!!!
    HEY, WHOS READY FOR ANOTHER VACCINE?!?!?!?!

    Seriously though....Fuck off already OK?? Just FUCK OFF.
     
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    We are learning all that "Free Money" we received during Covid, directly or indirectly, wasn't actually free, and will come at a great cost to many/all. Though the politicians of all political parties will do their best to sweep this fact under the rug or point fingers. The "Everything Bubble" was well formed before Covid, Covid merely put it on steroids.

    How COVID Lockdowns Primed The Current Financial Crisis
     
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    Male
    Occupation:
    Currently resting mind and body
    Location: (Country, Region - and perhaps even City?):
    Arizona
    Local Time:
    8:36 AM

    Please keep in mind the fact that all news agencies produced Fear Porn, we (humans) are addicted to it.

    Note the Talking Heads use of voice inflection. This is why after years of not watching TV/Cable news I can't tolerate even a few seconds of it. It is all fake, but very good at manipulating those who still tune in.

    Of more concern is that at the end of the video the Professor isn't wearing gloves while holding a container that someone wearing gloves is holding. They may be dealing with an inert substance, but this doesn't look good. This is the environment in which future lab technicians are taught.
     
    Lazlo Toth, subrick and Dianna1395 like this.
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