Just venting..

But I AM pretty.

Sorry, but anyone rooting for Trump needs their bumps examining.

 

Well I'm in UK with nothing quite like the US Democrats, or Republicans for that matter.

But I suppose the nearest to US Dems is our Labour Party. Which has just elected as its leader the most radical socialist imaginable. Jeremy Corbyn. He only got on the ballot paper at all because a good number of other Labour MPs who'd never dream of actually voting for him signed his nomination papers 'just so that someone with his views could be an option for the voting members'. The other three contenders were all pretty much 'establishment' as was the last Labour government when in office, and as was the Labour front bench and shadow cabinet when in opposition in last Parliament and indeed so far un this one.

When he was nominated nobody at the time thought he'd actually win, not even he himself! He's your archetypal old fashioned socialist, aged 70+, never held any office before whatsoever, and when it came to voting has had a strong track record of voting against his own party when (as frequently) he disagreed with the line it was taking.

Watch this space. We live in interesting times. Of course nobody now thinks he can lead his party into Government at the next election - deemed far too left wing for most voters. But that's not due till 2020. A lot can happen in that time. We shall see.

We live in very interesting times.

 

A lot can change, and it seems that many people want change, and that many of those are young people never before interested or engaged with politics. What was there to engage with? Corporate sponsored politicians running roughshod over democracy, ruling for themselves and their sponsors, choosing power over any sense of humanity? There's nothing to engage with there.

People are yearning for something to engage with.

 

The young should not be allowed to marry before 25, have children before 30 or vote before 35. They don't have the life skills nor the experience to handle such things before then.

 

Younger people are the ones that create change as they are looking into the future with an eagerness for it.
At the same time, older people have a regulatory responsibility as they have the benefit of an understanding of history.

Both are necessary within the political discourse.
Regardless, it should not need pointing out that an increase in age is no indicator for an increase in wisdom.

 

To a point, that is correct. But in America today, the young, in large numbers, no longer wish to work their way up the professional ladder as their parents did. They expect to leave school and step into a $70000 job and a nice house in the burbs while driving a Lexus. Failing that they either end up back at home on the public dole. With a mindset like that, they shouldn't have a say making policies that simply give to them.

 

Hey All,- It seems as if The Bar is having a ball with this one, - and everybody sits by the fire;-) Please remember to make room for everyone, but don't get overheated. Warm beer is not worth drinking..... Enjoy! - Cold drinks on me

 

i just don't want my head chop off.

 

Ohohoh, I think in a venting thread then a little friendly abuse should be permitted - especially if it's tongue in cheek.

We cant be all lovely and nice all the time!

 

And let's definitely keep it to this thread. Kinda like a heated discussion with your spouse. Don't carry it out of the kitchen. Besides, no one really got burned. It's politics. Family dinners get ruined over such discussions.

 

Absolutely. It's a rare treat that I feel able to shout off about politics or religeon etc on-line (I cant be arsed to do it much elsewhere either), and it's great to know no-one's really going to take offence. You don't want too much of it though. We're all here for a greater purpose after all!

Now who wants a punch up the hooter? My way of life's better than yours, etc.

 

@Joroincharge mentioned Jeremy Corbyn. He seems a pleasant enough old gent. Trouble is, he is like many free-thinking privileged socialists, he lives in a fantasy world. His ideas and policies would never work in a western capitalist democracy.

 

Western capitalist democracy?

Who say's that's what we are? Western perhaps, but a bit more European than many would like to admit. Democracy? Only as far as the ballot box. The last 30 years have been over-lords doing whatever the fuck they wanted after that, and that aint democracy. As for capitalist - only because many people have not had the opportunity for anything else. There are elements of private ownership that work well of course, but only with a strong level of social support, otherwise all we have is an 'I'm all right Jack mentality' married to a 'fuck-you' one. We need to be able to help everyone. Help those with capitol to create jobs with reasonable conditions, while helping those at the very bottom to eat, breath and live.

The current lot aren't interested in either of the latter, only both of the former.

 

@SubVerity
https://www.google.co.uk/?gfe_rd=cr&ei=sN31VcHmCfDH8genyISwCw&gws_rd=ssl#q=democracy+definition.

If we have had over-lords doing what the f*** they wanted, then it is because the population voted them into power, hence, a democracy.

 

Mmmmnah. I dont buy that. Just as a for-instance,Tony didnt start start an oil war in my name, he did that off his own bat. He also didnt renationalise the railways which is what he was elected to do. Etc.

 

My current rant would be over the Syrian "refugees" leaving their country in hard times. I admit that tens or maybe hundreds of thousands have lost their livelihood due to war. What did we do during 1939-45. We rallied around and rebuilt. We didn't desert our country.

 

Different situation dude. There is no comparison between Britain in 1942 and Syria today.

Back then there is no other country we could have gone to, but plenty of country to go to to escape the bombing of the cities.
Syrians dont have anything like the same level of concerned government helping and protecting, or places to go that are safe.

It's different enough to be a ridiculous comparison. The threat is of 3 or 4 warring sides within the country, at least one of which respects no borders. Utterly not the same.

 

Well we'll soon see what he makes of it. He's just appointed his shadow cabinet. A number of the mainstream Labour people won't serve in it. But some are. I reckon he'll have at least a honeymoon period. I also reckon the jury's out on this one.

 

Would he want to stop the refugees coming in and what measures could slow the channel tunnel lorry hoppers

 

The refugees are a symptom of "Blowback" which is what happens when you tinker with politics which incite war in other countries. We helped create them with aggressive foreign policies along with the Americans.

 

Yes,
But I, for one, do not wish to pay to put them up, train them, feed them, etc.... I worked for the welfare office in the late 90s when we took in several thousand Kosovo refugees. The second place they took them, after immigration, was our welfare offices where they were eligible for food stamps, medicaid, housing and a few other freebies. The problem? These things aren't free. And who pays for them? The working, tax paying stiffs of America. Therefore, if the bleeding heart libs wish to carry the refugees, let them do it out of their own wallets and not mine.

 

Venting .. I'm sorry Mascara^Snake you got me started on the economic parasites that are willing to sacrifice their children just so they can abandon their own countries and impose themselves and their cultures and needs on other nations.

it has been shown that only 25% of the migrants are from syria the rest (and I say they all are) are economic migrants and or potential if not actual terrorists. And/Or exercising the practice of Al-Hijra: Stealth Jihad through Immigration. At current birth rates alone never mind the recent mass migrations most western countries (the UK, USA, Canada, Australia New Zealand and Eorope will have a predominently moslem population and will be under sharia law by 2050.

A refugee a genuine refugee should go to and stay in the first and nearest country that will not deport them. Not spread all over europe.
Odd how the majority of these so called refugees are young men.

By them arriving in such large numbers it is impossible to ascertain if any and how many have links to terrorist organisations.
By arriving in great numbers they put strains on the communities they invade and by doing so create resentment which will eventually come to head and create civil strife in our once stable countries.

The more we do for them when they get here the more we encourage them to risk their own lives (who cares) and those of their children (that's just selfishness) by coming here aand expecting to be given food water shelter and rights.

We should encourage them to stay home fight for their countries than strive to make them into something. Britain was once considered to be great. It did not become so by leeching off the goodwill of others and asking for hand-outs. Hard work, sacrifice and endeavour.

Admittedly our laws and human rights policies used to be awful especially as we expanded but the laws and human rights policies of many asian and or islamic peoples is awful TODAY.

Our holy book on which much of our culture in the west is based was revised 600 years before the as yet unrevised quoran was written maybe that has something to do with their laws and lack of human rights thing.

BTW: before anyone gets started ... Racism is an irrational fear of another race religion or culture. There is nothing irrational about my opinions which I believe are based on common sense, logic and math..

This is one post of mine I will not argue about or discuss further as I believe I have said all I need to in the post.
If you disagree with me as you are entitled to... we shall just have agree to differ, and hopefully confine all comments relating to this vent to this thread so others may choose to ignore them if they wish.
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I disagree. Furthermore I think you are a racist Telly watcher and I'm glad that you have chosen not to write any more about the issue.